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Francisco has a traditional golf course/community plan; Mr. Caltherpe is certain to have an interesting new look for a golf course and land uses. Ms. Dennis supported a no-golf course alternative because the community needs to see what a pure neo-traditional plan looks like. She wanted the streetscape design guidelines developed as part of this plan. Mr. Swift indicated those guidelines were contemplated as a future task outside this time frame. He also felt it was important for Council to identify whether it supported this concept before going further into planning. Calthorpe has many studies and slides with examples of products around the country for review at one of the workshops. That could be available within this budget. Ms. Michelotti questioned the necessity of spending money for a consultant if this same type of planning could be done by staff. She wanted the visuals for community review and did not know if it was necessary for a full golf course vs. no golf course type of planning. Kay Ayala, 4515 Gatetree Circle, expressed strong suppert for a golf course and indicated there would be many people at the next Council meeting. She indicated neo-traditional was studied at length in the General Plan review and there was a tape available at no cost. The -- one element the community has supported is a golf course; it offsets the houses and commercial that will be added. She felt neo-traditional planning and a golf course do not mix. Neo- traditional is high density clustered housing. There will be civil war if the golf course is placed on the west side of the freeway and high density housing on the east side. Certain elements of neo-traditional design are desirable; garages in back of houses, perches, smaller streets, etc. We can do that without paying $45,000 for a planner. She and others put together a plan from suggestions at the last workshop and asked if Council has even looked at it? Mr. Tarver wants the entire community and Commissions to be involved. He is not comfortable with a few people putting together a plan. He sees nothing wrong with paying for assistance in looking at all alternatives. Ms. Ayala felt the last workshop was wonderful and Brian Swift had prepared a good plan. She did not support paying for a consultant. She totally disagreed that a neo-traditional plan would work on this property. Cindy McGovern, 9206 Longview Drive, asked for a clear definition of neo-traditional; does it have single-family homes, apartments, duets, etc. Ms. Dennis indicated it is similar to communities that grew around railroads at the turn of the century. It is not as fixed as some think. Mr. Tarver the project is generally self-contained with residential and the commercial/schools to support the residents. He wants people to see and understand the design 02/06/96 16