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Tom Orloff commented that between the citizens' and professionally done traffic reports there was greater disparity on December 11, 1981, Friday, Which he doesn't believe is typical of traffic movements; and that December 17, 1981 was a prime shopping time around Christmas - the difference is much less on a Thursday. He said he feels the differences are accountable. Dick Ivy, Barton-Aschman Associates, said his firm had been com- missioned by the City to study more specifically items which had been previously studied. He said they were asked to count traffic on Friday and they did so on December 4, 1981. He said they came up with 50o more cars northbound than the TJKM people and that the Citizens' report shows 100 more than the Barton-Aschman report. He also took counts on Santa Rita Road and Valley Avenue saying his report was very close to that of TJKM. Mr. Ivy further explained the contents of their traffic report done for this proposal. Commissioner Lindsey asked if in making a U-turn at Santa Rita Road with traffic coming southbound and traffic from Santa Rita making a right turn onto Valley Avenue wouldn't be a potential traffic problem. Mr. Ivy said there is a potential for accidents but by doing away with the right-turn and squaring up the return would help alleviate the problem, and that you could probably put a stop sign in but he doesn't recommend that. He suggested a yield sign might be used as enforcement. Commissioner Lindsey asked why Mr. Ivy did not discuss this proposal with the owners of the shopping centers. Mr. Ivy explained that perhaps he erred but he wanted to present an unbiased report. Commissioner Wilson asked about access using Alameda Street. Mr. Ivy stated that his study did not take this into consideration as it was assumed the residents of the area would be opposed. Chairperson Getty asked if both shopping centers were restriped would it help traffic on Valley and Santa Rita. Mr. Ivy stated he looked at thasexitseoflthetshoppingd~enterseand proposedechangesd the entrances an Al Andre, 1195 Brooktree Way addressed the TJKM study which was done during the holiday season. He said the study was done mid- week and that their report (the citizens') was done in December as it was the only time they had a chance to do it. He said some intersections correlated reasonably well with the data furnished in the two studies. He said that with regard to the worm diverter a lot of extra cars would have to make U-turns. He said on Fridays this would be especially bad at peak hours because autos would go east onto Valley from the Wells Fargo Bank area of Amador Center, have to immediately get into the left lane and then make a U-turn. He said the professional traffic reports under estimate the actual peak traffic that does occur in some of the areas and that putting in a worm diverter at Amador shopping center on Valley Avenue would create more problems. He said the traffic studies did not address autos coming out of Amador Center turning right to make a U-turn would have to cross two lanes of traffic to do so. He -4-