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Commissioner Allen: So I think we're all concerned with the queueing and we've had a discussion about whether 12 or 13 might work. I guess where I come out is, let's pretend they're able to come up with a design that meets 12 or 13. I'm still not sure that's adequate. So therefore the additional information if we went down that route that I would request is what we discussed earlier—getting some better benchmark data about comparable....fast-food, Starbucks...) mean, we could have something beyond Starbucks because we've got a risk there that somebody else could take us over so I think we need to look at freeway kind of projects that are Starbucks and others and understand what the queue is. Plus, understand what the queue is of In-N-Out Burger, just the nearby ones; In-N-Out Burger plus the Starbucks. But anyway, understand all of those because it could be that 12 to 13 is still a risk because again we have no backup if there's any kind of spillover. Commissioner O'Connor: Well, I would like to see additional photo simulations once we get closer to a final, or an improved design. Like Justin, I'm not supporting the drive-thru because I think we have too many in the area. Even if we can make the queue work, I think we're going to create a traffic nightmare in this area. It's already bad there and Denny's isn't even open right now. So, my concern is having three drive-thru operations is such a small area. Commissioner Balch: So as I mentioned, I've seen Galen's work in the past. I think this is top notch on the architectural but I do have major concerns about the lot, the design and the circulation. What I want to point out to staff and everyone is that these are 9-foot by 19-foot parking spots. They are called universal in my world. I don't know if that's what they call them in retail. Universal spot means you are very compacted on your neighboring car because it's not a 10-foot wide, it's a 9-foot wide and it's what people do to get the parking coverage. It's just very popular. But, if you're trying to park in front of Building B in those five compact spots, just getting through the lot and circulation just to get into that spot is difficult with this site layout. You're going to have to get through, people trying to turn into the queue, you've got to get past the entire linear length of A just to make it down to B. So that's one illustration of the difficulty that this layout presents. I'm really worried about the blocking or the queueing on Johnson Court and basically blocking any thru traffic up further because there's two driveways in the current Denny's configuration as I recall. There's one kind of approximately where this one's at but there's also one more northerly that is being filled in so that people can't go to the northern one to get into the lot. The uses of the C-F like I mentioned a little bit; the north side of A is a little more architectural as the applicant said they would do. The queueing which has been talked about—I'll just say I'm not stuck on the queueing because as Commissioner Nagler said it could be 10. It could be 13, but the concept of backing up on Johnson Court is one issue. We talked about any cars backing up on Owens Drive, I would be shocked if any one of us didn't get nasty grams from then on and I agree with Commissioner O'Connor that that intersection is already horrible. So you may be talking two more cars to 13 and you're on Owens, and if you block Hopyard we're going to be hearing it forever and I would hate to vote in favor of a project that would do that. Again, my comment about the plans labeled "Owens Court." Starbucks has a base for your evaluation as Bernal. I do worry that that is not comparable for the traffic and my only comment to that is I avoid that Starbucks because of its location and its circulation pattern. So I'm not being counted in there because it's so deep and so tricky to get through that parking lot to get to that Starbucks buried in there that I think we're misrepresenting what we might see here with the prominent freeway access and the volume of traffic going down Hopyard. Excerpt: Planning Commission Minutes, September 28, 2016 Page 19 of 20 lanning Commission Page 11 of 19