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Commissioner Nagler: And that you could potentially pick up additional parking spaces in the <br /> main parking lot if you didn't have that drive. <br /> Grant: Well, no, actually you can't. I mean it sounds like you could if we didn't have Building B <br /> in there, but where are those additional cars? <br /> Commissioner Nagler: I hear you want two exits too so I appreciate the answer. <br /> Grant: Gerry, do you understand what I mean about the dead end parking? <br /> Beaudin: I understand what you're talking about. I think you're dealing with a lot of <br /> development you're trying to put on the site so I think you may have to make compromises and <br /> I think if you're going to continue to try to put as much development on this property you're <br /> going to have to consider some things that may not be a typical practice. <br /> Grant: Well, that's true but dead end parking we understand compromise, but dead end <br /> parking is not something that...you never want to bring retail cars into a lot, find that there's no <br /> parking and then have them somehow do a three-point turn to get back out. <br /> Commissioner Balch: Good point. <br /> Beaudin: I can share with you in a separate conversation a design that works in terms of <br /> keeping the space free at the end of parking lots where we don't have the ability to come <br /> straight through in a retail environment. <br /> Grant: Well, I know that you can block out a parking space and stripe it but it's just not a good <br /> practice. <br /> Commissioner O'Connor: So the problem started when you didn't have enough room for the <br /> queueing that City staff or the traffic study was looking for. So you said you lengthened <br /> Building A-1, A-2 and you lengthened that and had to cut back the depth of Building B in order <br /> to do that? <br /> Grant: Right. <br /> Commissioner O'Connor: Instead of that, why didn't you shave 10 or 12 feet off of A-2 and put <br /> a double lane queueing coming into the curve? <br /> Grant: We did. We tried that and Starbucks would not allow that, but Adam did you ever see <br /> that option? <br /> Weinstein: I don't think so. <br /> Grant: Yes, we had a double throat and then it merged into a single, and we picked up about <br /> maybe four additional cars. <br /> Commissioner O'Connor: Why did Starbucks care where their queue is? <br /> Grant: Starbucks said they would not accept the hazard of that point of return. <br /> Excerpt: Planning Commission Minutes, September 28, 2016 Page 12 of 20 <br />k through the site, but in <br /> reality, it's really entering that drive at the tangent point and that car can go right or left. <br /> Commissioner Nagler: And just to be clear, my question specifically is an attempt to length the <br /> queue. That's what it was. <br /> Grant: I understand. <br /> Excerpt: Planning Commission Minutes, September 28, 2016 Page 11 of 20 <br /> 38 feet and we agreed to do that because we needed <br /> to come much closer to that 12 car queueing requirement. I had a discussion today with Adam <br /> about the agreement that I felt that we had as a result of one of the recent meetings where we <br /> had the 10 cars and the traffic report said 12 cars, and it was our understanding that if we <br /> could get one more car—if we could get to the 11th car—than that would be an acceptable <br /> solution because it's not a perfect size. It could be 13, it could be 12, it could be 11. We were <br /> at 10 and we were able to modify the site plan. It took a lot of effort to manipulate all of the <br /> different pieces and make sure we were satisfying the accessibility requirements and the <br /> distribution. At one time we had the two handicapped cars for accessible parking spaces <br /> located in front of Building A, but the request was made, can you get one car related to each <br /> building, and so we were able to do that. <br /> So, we're very hopeful because you know we're kind of up against the wall. That 12th car; the <br /> comment was made well, can we make Building B shallower. Well, we really can't. We really <br /> can't take another 20 feet for that 12th car out of the depth of Building B because then we're <br /> looking at a building's that probably 20 feet deep or we have to severely carve into the corner <br /> Excerpt: Planning Commission Minutes, September 28, 2016 Page 9 of 20 <br />ructural control such as an oil/water separator or sand filter. No other area shall <br /> P16-1349 and PUD-121 Planning Commission <br /> Page 11 of 19 <br />