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colleges? With the example of the Raley's, which was a heritage school was it not? So that's going to fall under this...? Maybe you could help us understand that? Beaudin: People refer to it as Little Ivy? Commissioner Balch: I think so. Beaudin: I don't know all of the details of that application but I know that it's more than 20 students. I don't know the kind of school and I don't think that we split the hair in the code the last time. That might have been how they identified themselves, but we didn't have the ability to define a heritage school and so we do now and we make that distinction just because they typically don't require the same kind of outdoor spaces because of the kind of programming that they offer. Commissioner Balch: I think I missed it so I apologize. Let me ask it in a different way. So, what would you call a private school versus school and college? Because we do have that now added in, right? The second and third are "private schools with no more than 20, private schools with more than 20, both with footnote 5 applicable." I'm on page 22 of the table. Bonn: So I think with the distinction of private schools is that it's intended to be like a general purpose school. It's basically a non -PUSD school whereas the schools and colleges are most often associated with the specialty type of school similar to the rest of the category, like a music and dance school —it's more of a specialized type of school as opposed to a general purpose school. Beaudin: The definitions help where it's a focused line of education whether it's music and art, business —we have trade schools for things like contractors, so that is the school and college and the kinds of applications we would expect to fall into that category. When you get into the private school, we're thinking that's more like the alternative to your local elementary school if that helps you. Commissioner Balch: .... like Genius Kids over in the New Leaf Shopping Center? Beaudin: Correct, unless they're providing things that are a form of education that's more culturally based in which case something like that would turn into the heritage school definition. It's pretty fluid and frankly it would depend on the description that came in with the application but we'd be using the language that's in the table and the definitions associated with these in the code. Commissioner Balch: So when you have an application, and maybe just as a question of your experience and what you see, based upon the zoning proposal, heritage schools are permitted in many of the categories in commercial use —so can an applicant argue that they are a heritage school simply on their face or do they actually have to prove they are a heritage school in their application? Beaudin: We'd be asking for a narrative that describes the project, the curriculum, the number of teachers, and the number of students and so the burden of proof is on the PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, December 14, 2016 Page 7 of 49