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challenge that in how you're going to craft that because I think of the list you provided in Table 1 which is excellent to demonstrate it, and I think of a Ranch Market or I think of if a Whole Foods was on this list, and the traffic generated from them. Or, if you simply look at the two Safeway's, right? The Safeway on Amador Center versus possibly the Raley's or the other Safeway, just where it's at in town and the artery streets and kind of how that sits, it's a challenge for the Amador Center Safeway much more so than others by the way that retail center is laid out. So, you know, if you think of the old Nob Hill which is now the Wal -Mart Neighborhood Market down the street and it's just a different feeling shopping center because of the retail center itself. So while I agree there's two large categories, 60,000 is a fine starting point—don't get me wrong — unfortunately, there's probably going to be people below that but will generate more traffic and that's a concern. How you handle it I'm not sure, but I see that potential. I'll just say it like that. Beaudin: So maybe there are three categories here rather than two .... you know, it's hard because we've really tried to scale it down and curtail it, but for me there's retail that kind of fits into the typical downtown spaces, there's retail that might be what you just described as kind of in a middle range that has the potential to generate some additional impact, and then there's things that we know at a different level and different scale and will necessitate a different level of input and consideration from the City. I think just hearing your conversation tonight has got me thinking a little more about a middle range that we might be able to put some additional scrutiny or public process around. Commissioner Brown: One other possible thing you could consider if it has its own dedicated parking as delineation. So I mean, a center of stores could have their own dedicated parking which presumably is sized to meet the needs of that store hopefully whereas like a shopping center, it's going to share. It's going to be pulled parking. Anyway, it's just something to consider as part of that. Beaudin: And typically when we see any kind of parking arrangement that needs a public process, it'll be here. It will be a CUP and we'll look at the whole thing comprehensively. Commissioner Brown: Similar comments on 60,000, how did you arrive at the 11:00 p.m. definition of a bar? The reason I say that is on the weekend you mentioned to consider the kids and we ended up at the new, what I consider a bar across from... next to the old Stacy's. I forget the name of it.... Bonn: Pairings. Commissioner Brown: Pairings. I mean, that's Pairings Cellars and that's actually a bar. We were there at 7 o'clock. I don't know what time it closes. I think it closes at 11:00 p.m., but I don't know. But, it just seemed that a retail business whose primary mission in life is to sell alcohol I think should be a bar versus something that stays open after 11 o'clock. I thought it was a bit arbitrary. That's just my own view. Commissioner Balch: Especially in Pleasanton because not much stays open. Commissioner Brown: Exactly. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 31, 2016 Page 46 of 58