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Chair Ritter: So a question. You came up with all of these. Is there some city that we're mimicking that's done it really well that we're trying to figure out how it works best? Commissioner Balch: No, that's why we're here. Chair Ritter: Okay, let's make it better than the other best city. How did we start with this? That's what I'm..... Beaudin: ... Maybe I'll just try and pull back to the definition of you know retail and larger footprint retail. We've done a lot of work with Amy Herman Economics as part of the Johnson Drive work and she's been really helpful in terms of characterizing different scales of a different size of retail footprints and what that really means in terms of actual vendors. I don't have her table with me tonight, but I would say that anything 80,000 and larger is large footprint retail. That's a pretty common threshold and it's used both in planning terms and by economists to define "big box" and so I think what we said is the scale and character of Pleasanton is a little bit different and smaller than elsewhere, and so we pushed down to 60,000 using this table. So that's where we started. It is a start and we're happy to adjust it, but we think 60,000 is appropriate. Chair Ritter: So my question was a little higher level. All of these, from energy to government to educational, how did we come up with all of the broader categories? Did this come off of a template that Open Counter created for us or is it a template we created based on the past history of use? Beaudin: Shweta and Adam and I appreciate Mr. Hirst's comment about my involvement, but really this is an effort that we've been looking at best practices, and it's the "Royal We ". Everyone that's still in the room here tonight has been looking at best practices for the zoning code so this is an effort that's usually undertaken with consultants and what we thought is, let's go out and look at the latest and greatest examples of zoning code updates that have been done and Shweta did that legwork to make sure we were starting with a framework that's commonly used and successfully used in other jurisdictions. So the broader classifications you see here and some of the grouping that's been done as well as some of the definitions we included are all coming from what we would call best practices for zoning. Commissioner Nagler: Could I ask a similar question. On the specific listing of uses under the broad categories, does that reflect what the community actually is? Or, does it reflect sort of a general template of categories that appear in zoning ordinances. How did you come up with that particular detailed list under the broad categories? Beaudin: It's really all of the above. It's taking what we see in Pleasanton and it's consolidating into terms that are commonly used in cities to regulate land use. And so, what we try to do is create broad enough categories to have an umbrella over the range of uses we expect to see in Pleasanton without being overly broad because we didn't want to kind of invite new permitted uses without thinking them through. And so, do you want to add to that Adam or Shweta? Weinstein: Yeah, I mean, Shweta talked a little bit about some deletions like the famous one is Blacksmith, right? So we're getting rid of blacksmith as a specific use but in fact PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 31, 2016 Page 44 of 58