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Commissioner Balch: You know, and I think different cities have different secondary needs for commercial that I work with, so which one is this city's versus a different municipality does matter and it makes it a little easier. It's a little complex, but I think the question I had is 12 and 13 you're asking about, right, Mr. Weinstein? Weinstein: The best place to look is the attachment actually. It's Table 18.44.080. Bonn: It starts on page 22. Commissioner Allen: 22? Commissioner Balch: I know that but where does this conversation come up? This is page 12 and 13. Weinstein: Number 2. Commissioner Balch: Okay, I'll move on. Commissioner Allen: Okay, retail I thought seemed good. Are we together? All right, so I was comfortable with collapsing the retail and I thought it made sense. The one that I was a little concerned with was on the personal services that got collapsed. As I look there are a lot of personal services and I see personal services in two buckets. There's one kind that would be the potentially nuisance services and that could be massage parlors, maybe adult entertainment, maybe a child care center with an outdoor area. Those could be nuisance related personal services that today are generally conditionally allowed where they're allowed, and that is contrasted with the other personal services like beauty salons, or the general personal services you think of, and most of those where they are allowed are permitted. So my thought is we need to be careful about that category so we don't end up permitting things that might be general nuisances potentially and have two buckets under personal services. And my final comment is, I do like the way you .... and this is back to retail, I do like the way you broke out retail into the under 60,000 square feet and the over 60,000 square feet. In general, I like that concept but I noticed that you only excluded over 60,000 feet. I'm in the detail on this one, but on the over 60,000 feet retail like Safeway or Home Depot, you said they would not be allowed in CN. They were excluded from CN. I would propose they also be excluded from CC or downtown for two reasons; one I don't think we have a lot of space downtown and I'd rather see it be used for pedestrian vital retail and /or residential where it's appropriate and not be a big Safeway. I'd rather see a New Leaf Market or a smaller kind of boutique Gene's Fine Foods downtown rather than a Safeway or a Home Depot because we have a very limited amount of space. Let's really maximize it for a vital pedestrian area. Those are my comments. Commissioner Nagler: Clarification on that, right, so you're saying the greater than 60,000 feet permitted? Commissioner Allen: No, be excluded. Commissioner Nagler: Oh, I see, removed conditionally. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 31, 2016 Page 42 of 58