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that we have in combination and I think we do a good job from a submittal requirement perspective right now of letting people know these are going to be issues that are going to come up and I think what we need to do going forward is let them know that story poles are going to help us tell part of the story and renderings are going to help us tell another part of the story and it's really our job to help make sure that things are as accurate as possible; the story poles get put up at the right height, renderings accurately show the details and massing, and you know, they're not leaving a tree in where it's helpful and taking it out where it's not and making sure the landscape plan lines up with the architectural plans. So it's going to be a more holistic approach to our review and hearing the concerns has really helped us think about it over the last few days and we appreciate Commissioner Allen bringing these concerns to our attention and we'll do it. We'll work with applicants and we'll let them know this is the expectation in Pleasanton, but particularly in Pleasanton in downtown we'll try to be as consistent as possible with folks around the community, but I certainly get the scale and massing for downtown. Commissioner Balch: Can I just ask, one of the things I've seen in other cities is the posting of a courtesy notice at the site. I don't know if we do that here, but I think about the two -story restaurant going in on Main Street and they're advertising for themselves now. So now they've got their architectural rendering right up on their fence saying this is what's coming and it's actually creating a buzz to their benefit, right? When I think about Spring Street and the neighbors' conversation tonight about where we're at in the process and where they kind of come in, it seems like it didn't align as well as I would have hoped and, even for me, I don't know when an applicant's going to be asked by staff to put story poles up. If there's no workshop and they're coming in straight for approval, I know workshops have been kind of a quagmire if they're required or not, but it seems like we're being much more consistent which I personally think tonight shows two examples of great uses of a workshop. You know, are the story poles up by the workshop or are they up between the workshop and now? You know, sometimes I don't go out to the site until I see it in the packet on Friday and I've got to get there by Wednesday, right? So that's kind of I think a little bit of education back from staff on how you'd like us to do it and once you've determined how you think you can process it. Also, Fremont is the city I've seen them do it where they'll post a courtesy notice of basically almost anything and they put up a 48 sheet of plywood and it's stamped on it. I don't read them too often, but they typically have a rendering and typically some quick item notice so that you can go and voice concerns, and that gets up real early in the process. When you think of this project, if it was on the corner saying this was coming up for a workshop and then you know, by the way if you're interested.... Commissioner Allen: I like that idea a lot because even in a workshop we're guessing the issues. Chair Ritter: With the technology that we have nowadays, we should put right on that notice the website you can go look at the pictures of the renderings, you know? I think a rendering is more valuable than a story pole personally because you could see how it would look in the position, if it's a good rendering. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, July 13, 2016 Page 34 of 38