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siding." Then further on another point it says, and I realize this second point is a little grey, but the first one on siding to me is black and white. The next one says, "Metal roofs are discouraged; however, metal shingles that resemble shake or tile with a dull finish and muted color may be approved." Furthermore what I did is look at the Council meeting that was used to approve this and I found that metal was brought up to the Council and the 4 -1 vote was we do not want it and there were a set of decisions and then that drove these guidelines. Relative to historic standards and I didn't know this at the workshop; this level of discussion because all we discussed was those two little houses and whether they were historic, but I had no idea that this was a potential issue. So, you know, I'm a little concerned about the use of metal because I think if you start using it and it sounds like it wasn't intended to be used, as we know, it's a precedent for other homes and we could end up with a lot of homes that have this. So I wanted to just ask you, when you said it wasn't mentioned, on the siding it was specifically excluded. Amos: Yes, for siding it is listed, but the applicant is using it in small portions of the architecture for that part of it. They do have it in some elements. It could be open and the Planning Commission could decide that we could remove the metal if that is part of the conversation the Planning Commission wants to have. Commissioner Allen: And on the roofing are we using as they say these small metal shingles that resemble shakes or tiles, or it looked like we were using more of the long sheets. Amos: Correct; it's shown in the color material plan sheet but it is a longer version of it. Commissioner Allen: So it appears we're not being consistent with this. Chair Ritter: You said other residents downtown use the same type of roofing? Or sheet metal? Amos: So for example there is a house on Neal Street that does have a metal roof that has the longer part of it that went through design review a few years ago before the standard was established, yes. Weinstein: If I could just add too, I think staff in general feels a little more strongly about the metal roof and the appropriateness of the metal roof than the metal siding. I think we're comfortable with both. I think there's lots of different metal. We're using these guidelines and Commissioner Allen is right, metal is not listed as one of the appropriate building materials. But there's a long history of bad metal being applied to buildings and there's just different levels of quality and standing seam roofs for instance have been used throughout California and throughout the U.S. in a way that is supportive of historic architecture and I think in staff's mind, a standing seam roof with its crisp look and sustainable feel — they'll outlast regular roofs sometimes by a couple of decades —is appropriate and maybe preferable to something like a comp roof which is not prohibited in the guidelines. Again, you're welcome to disagree with us, but the metal, I think Natalie stated it well, is being used on very limited portions of the architecture. We look at the architecture as a whole and there are lots of traditional elements that are being PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, July 13, 2016 Page 12 of 38