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project will be providing the 20 -foot minimum rear setback adjoining them with landscape opportunities. She concluded that from that interface standpoint, the mix of these kinds of housing styles plus the preschool is a total win and would tier nicely from the streetscape perspective, as opposed to the standpoint of just having a parking lot and a three -story senior apartment. Commissioner Piper inquired how many homes there are in Ivy Lane, and what the average lot size is. Ms. Hardy replied that there are 12 homes, and the lots are much smaller because it is the Downtown area, but the yards are bigger here. Commissioner Nagler asked if, other than the several lots along the creek on Ivy Lane, the typical distance between the back of the home and the back of the lot is about eight or ten feet. Ms. Hardy replied that it would probably be about 12 and 15 feet. Jeff Schroeder, Senior Vice President for Land Acquisition and Planning for Ponderosa homes. confirmed that was correct. Ms. Hardy stated that when she was out in the area doing the site inspection about a month ago, she ran into a couple of the residents who just moved in, and in the course of their conversation, they said they were glad about the yard because they do not want the maintenance. She noted that Ponderosa knows the market for this product and that people do not want to deal with the maintenance, particularly now with the drought. She added that people are tending not to really use their yards, except maybe for barbecuing and for a hot tub; they would rather pave their rear yards and have nice seating areas or stay inside or have access to the Iron Horse Trail and all the other trail amenities that are in and around the area. Chair Allen stated that she visited the Gardens and Ironwood at around 7:30 a.m. today and asked the residents what their perspective on the project was, and the Garden residents mentioned the parking problem. She noted that one resident said she cannot even have her family and friends over after 5:00 p.m. because they cannot find parking there, and another mentioned that there used to be 16 to 18 parking spots by the church area and eight spots by the pool area which had all been taken away. Chair Allen stated that when she asked them how many parking spaces they needed, they replied that they needed at least 30 or 40 extra spaces. Chair Allen stated that the parking lot was 100 percent full in the Garden area, minus two spots where one car was backing out and another could have gone to work; and there were about 19 cars parked in the church area that would likely be resident cars. She indicated that parking is what is really needed for that project and expressed concern that the applicant underestimated the parking needs of the Garden residents relative to what is been assigned to them. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 12, 2015 Page 10 of 34