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Commissioner Narum agreed. Chair Pentin stated that he almost feels that the discussion about dBA is a difficult road to travel. He indicated that in his business, sound is actually more difficult to do than actual imagery and filming because sound finds its home; he can go onto a certain piece of property and try to conduct an interview and he could move 30 feet to the left or right and find it to be incredibly more quiet than where he was just a few minutes ago. He noted that there is not an invisible wall where these lines are set and it just says now it will stop being noisy. He added that even if there are six businesses that are at the same sound and six that are not across the street, there will be a variety of sounds in the residential zone. He indicated that he does not know if this can be solved by saying 60 dBA, 70 dBA, or 74 dBA, and he is hesitant to drop things down to 60 dBA from 70 dBA when there is the possibility of moving from 70 dBA to 74 dBA. He stated that in looking at it, he thinks it should be set on whatever the guidelines are, but it is still going to boil down to individual units with individual units. He noted that before Shoreline was opened, the promoters had done their sound testing, but when they opened it, there was a neighborhood a mile away that just got blasted with sound, and they just found out the way the sound baffled out of Shoreline went to this neighborhood. He stated that this would be a problem no matter how it is set up; but again, these are guidelines or policies, and even when this has been approved, there will be some instances that the Commission will have to deal with individually. Chair Pentin continued that listening to 60 dBA or 70 dBA or 74 dBA in this room is a lot different than listening out at Wayside Park or in somebody's home on Peters Avenue. • The PDA Board of Directors' and EVC's recommendations. Chair Pentin stated that being on the Task Force, he does not recall the Task Force approving down to 60 dBA after 11:00 p.m., but he does remember that if later hours were allowed, the Task Force was concerned about how loud it was once it got to that later hour. He indicated that he is assuming the Task Force made that decision to go to 60 dBA, and he think that is too low; however, he thinks the Commission would have an answer to this when it deals with the sound requirements and receives some guidelines or policies from staff. Commissioner O'Connor stated that he is fine with their recommendations and believes that it was never their intent to lower from the current standard. He added that 70 dBA is today's standard so he is fine with leaving it at 70 dBA, but again, he would like to hear what 70 dBA sounds like and get a better understanding of what it is. Commissioners Olson and Blank agreed with Commissioner O'Connor. Commissioner Pearce stated that she specifically has some concerns regarding changing the loitering issue to only after the close of business. She indicated that she does not want people loitering at all in front of some of these businesses because it can create a significant problem for residents, and she is concerned about limiting it to that PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 12, 2012 Page 30 of 35