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Allen: Just one follow up—how many acres just technically does the church need for the church property and their parking lot and the trees that would be around that? Houston: I don't have a topo but they have their 12 acres and I would say maybe one-third of it is flat and so where the church is, and even if they wanted to expand to a larger footprint, there may be 2 acres of that up there that is of reasonableness where they could actually build something more on it. But they are primarily interested, and we had some slides of what their vision is, which is to upgrade their facility on the flat part, the parking lot and upgrading their current facility to make it something better. Ritter: I just had one question. Are there any natural hiking trails up there from the church down into the city or bike trails that you could see on any of the lots? Houston: From the church? The upper part? Ritter: Or even down through the residents' area. It doesn't sound like it. Houston: The creek is the huge barrier and frankly, neighbors don't want people going in the creek. But the barrier is the creek and it's actually a pretty steep creek and prevents any type of real interaction. In past history, the church had come down and there was a small picnic area back there, but really it wasn't feasible because it's a steep climb down. Ritter: Okay, thank you. So we'll close it and go to staff questions. Thank you. I guess while we're on that, are there any road bikers that use that trail, so instead of a sidewalk, put in a road biking lane option or is there not enough space? Hagen: In addition to the bike lane? Ritter: Instead of a sidewalk. I mean, as they start undergrounding with wires, like Foothill Road, you stop a bike trail and start again. Beaudin: Yeah, there's stopping and starting on Dublin Canyon as well and we've been requiring bike lanes to be installed with projects as they come on line. So that would be a requirement of this project. So there would be a road improvement and a pedestrian improvement that would be separate consistent with the Complete Streets standards that we have for the community. So, I guess what I would say in terms of the sidewalk and tree removal, there's nothing that says that something like that couldn't meander or there are other public access easements that could be designed to create the tree preservation objectives that we might have for this project. So there are ways to accommodate both the bike and pedestrian improvements that are required for development applications. Ritter: Okay, we'll get back to that. All right, so any more questions for staff? We'll just go down the list. O'Connor: So on this map--I don't know if you have a pointer, can you kind of trace for us where the creek actually runs? I understand it's behind Lots 2, 3 and 4, but I don't know how it turns and where it goes. EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, January 13, 2016 Page 10 of 22