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to that but it's not 500 units so we're not going to be building the civic center over again, <br /> but we want to do what we need to do in order to be good corporate citizens. <br /> Hagen: Can I also make the clarification that it is a requirement that all new <br /> developments underground utilities so it is not that the applicant is proposing it. It would <br /> be required as part of the project no matter what. <br /> Balch: Even under three units? <br /> Hagen: Yes. <br /> Nagler: So if there are three units on there the agriculture zoning stays the same? <br /> Hagen: Yes. <br /> Houston: And that's why the numbers as far as trying to provide those amenities, <br /> undergrounding being a large one, that's why we came forward with these five units. We <br /> also think that the traffic is better than having three access points off of Dublin Canyon <br /> Road. <br /> Ritter: Any more questions for the applicant? We can close that and ask staff some <br /> questions. <br /> Balch: No questions. <br /> Allen: Just one as a curiosity question. In thinking about the fact that the zoning is one <br /> home per five acres, what was the thinking on why we didn't subdivide this such that <br /> let's say the housing area was 15 acres of 16.23 acres which would at least entitle you <br /> following zoning for three units. So I'm just wondering what the thinking was in only <br /> utilizing 4 acres and not 15? <br /> Houston: If you go out there, it's an interesting piece of property in that the church would <br /> be very visible from the freeway. As you drive down from Castro Valley coming into <br /> Pleasanton the church is literally the first thing you see, and that's why the church is <br /> interested in utilizing these resources to upgrade their facility. It drops down dramatically <br /> so kind of the natural dividing point is the creek and the church is not interested in <br /> having any homes. They have 12 acres up above not counting the creek and then we <br /> have 4 acres. Ours is perfectly flat; flat as a board, so that also makes it more attractive <br /> to build on. We know there are issues with building on hillsides everywhere and <br /> certainly in Pleasanton so the topography over where the church is wouldn't really lend <br /> to it and the church doesn't want it. The church wants to be there and have their mission <br /> fulfilled in that site like they've been since 1979 and they want to improve it and make it <br /> better. They don't want to increase the footprint. They just want to make it better and <br /> hook up to the City's sewer among those things. So that's why the dividing line is for the <br /> 4 acres because the natural boundary is the creek. And even if you look at Canyon <br /> Meadows, the reason why they have the trees and things along Dublin Canyon Road is <br /> because that's where the creek goes. They didn't put in any of that stuff. It was there. <br /> So we're following the line. Our attractive part and benefit is the creek on the back of the <br /> properties instead of the front because that's where the creek is. <br /> EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, January 13, 2016 Page 9 of 22 <br />