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glad the Commission was considering this matter but expressed concern that the City is opening itself to liability beyond what the State is requiring. He referred to the Catch 22 situation, recalling that his applicant came to the City and was told he needed to apply for a license, was told by the State that he was exempt, obtained letters from the State to that effect, and when he was again told that he had to obtain the license, the State moved at a much slower pace than it would have in the normal approval process. With respect to the sign-in/sign-out provision, Mr. Balch suggested ensuring that an adult sign the children in and out. He referred to the “E” building occupancy which generally worked well, but also involves additional aspects of operations. He voiced concern that the City use the same definitions as the State because he could see tutoring used in a variety of ways. He also expressed concern about exempting everything on the School District’s property. Brad Hirst stated that he hoped the Commission does not create more problems than it would create solutions regarding the matter. He echoed some points raised regarding hours and gymnastics as well as training and athletic camps, stating that his grandson spent 17-30 hours a week in a training camp, and encouraged the Commission to include the athletic programs. Mr. Hirst stated that he felt issues at heart are only being partially addressed, such as the moral character of the applicant, and whether or not the applicant exceeds the services for which they say they are going to provide. He stated that as a property owner, he was offended that the School District is allowed to lease out facilities and not have the policy apply to them, whereas others must go through the process. Mr. Hirst stated that an issue not included in the staff report but affects applicants is that when they are given the amount of information needed to apply for a facility, they get scared and often walk away. He also pointed out that there could be language difficulties for applicants for cultural programs. He added that potential applicants have been told that there is a moratorium and staff is not processing applications, so they end up in another community or not operating at all. He stated that various constituents profit from these facilities: the applicant and the property owner, the parents get services they want for their children, the students learn, and the City received taxes. Mr. Hirst stated that he supports 10 hours a week and noted that tutoring schools exceed 10 hours a week. He added that regulations should be applicable to anyone under the age of 18. He referred to Exhibit A and recommended that uses be defined by the Zoning Administrator rather than by the City Manager due to political ramifications. Finally, with respect to State licensing, he cited situations where people apply for licenses and the State indicates one is not needed; however, the City requires it and refers to a different definition, but the State indicates it cannot issue such a license. He recommended instructing staff to accept applications where appropriate and process them now so that the policy can be refined and ultimately approved. THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, July 8, 2009 Page 7 of 15