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located on site. He did not advocate mandating the grocery store but acknowledged that part of the rationale was to eliminate the need for people to run all over town to get the services they need. He noted that the car wash bay had been added to the conditions of approval but had been eliminated in the recent memo. He inquired what the rationale was behind its elimination besides the cost of installation. Mr. Heffner replied that they requested the elimination of the car wash because they were not in the car wash business. He noted that a car wash facility had always been a part of their suburban properties over the years, which was an amenity for the residents so they would not have to go off-site to wash their car. He stated that in this case, the property manager would provide some concierge services on-site, one of which would be for the property manager to bring the resident's car to the local car wash, patronize a local business, and bring the car back to the resident's space. He noted that an on-site car wash seemed to send the wrong message when they were trying to reduce the usage of the car. He acknowledged, however, that he understood that people would need to have their cars washed. In response to an inquiry by Commissioner O'Connor regarding whether there would be a surcharge for the concierge to have the car washed, Mr. Heffner replied that he did not know the price point and that it would depend on the service desired by the customer. He noted that 10 to 15 years ago, the car wash was a gathering place on-site but that a TOD would not be an appropriate location for a car wash. He added that the water runoff would also conflict with the overall philosophy of a TOD project. Commissioner O'Connor stated that he did not know whether it would be more green for 600 to 700 cars driven across town to be washed or to do it on-site. He noted that people would wash their cars in any case and that having a carwash on-site would be convenient. He noted that a 494-unit suburban prof ect in San Diego would include a car wash. He noted that a TOD was a new concept, and they were trying to discourage the use of the car. He added that they had sufficient spaces on-site and that it would not only send a mixed message but would also be expensive. He stated that he hoped that 20 percent of the residents would use only one car because they would take the train to work. Commissioner Pearce requested clarification regarding the open space area located between the north parking area next to the freeway and the building. She noted that this looked like passive open space on the plans and inquired whether the applicant had envisioned a lawn. Mr. Davies replied that the area would be fairly loud due to the freeway noise and, therefore, would not be very pleasant. He believed that a simple treatment would be best and that it would be closer to a lawn where a badminton set could be set up. Commissioner Pearce inquired whether there would be facilities for bicycles, including bike lockers. Mr. Heffner replied that there would be bicycle parking in the first and second levels in the parking garage. He noted that there would be bike storage and that people would need to bring their own locks. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, April 23, 2008 Page 18 of 28