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felt there are many opportunities to make people get out of their cars and use public transit, given the cost of gas, types of cars, congestion, and the environment. When going through the PUD process, she thinks with some work we can come up with things to suit the business park while also encouraging people to look at this differently. Councilmember Cook-Kallio supported a task force, volunteered for it, but would defer to the Mayor because of her interest in TOD development. Regarding CarrAmerica, she believes the General Plan Update and Staples Ranch must be done first, and supported separating CarrAmerica from the other projects, but voiced concern with the amount of staff time taken away from the General Plan. Councilmember McGovern voiced support for a task force and said she would agree to serve on it. She did not want CarrAmerica separated out and felt it should be part of the process so there is more public input as it is close to residential and a very large property. Commissioner Olson said he was troubled that Mr. Inderbitzen had to answer the question the way he did as to why there is not residential on the CarrAmerica site. There is a direct link between residential and jobs, and it is about jobs. He would have preferred him to say they will include some housing on this project because they are providing space for jobs and those people can commute in on BART. He asked everyone to consider an idea; housing in Hacienda, or affordable housing in Hacienda as exempt under the housing cap. Councilmember McGovern disagreed and said the current footprint was not something she could support, but confirmed that the Council had been in a workshop setting and she adamantly asked that more public participation be sought. Vice Mayor Thorne supported the task force and said he would agree to serve on it, and because of the upcoming election, questioned the timing for the task force would be approximately one year. City Manager Fialho said the logistics of this could be determined at a later time. Vice Mayor Thorne said as long as there is a robust public process, he was agreeable to moving CarrAmerica forward. Councilmember Sullivan supported the task force to include all stakeholders, liked the idea of including Stoneridge Drive and Valley Drive residents who could be impacted by it. He said he does not have any philosophical problems with what CarrAmerica is trying to do to intensify the site, but voiced concern that the neighbors do not know anything about it and secondly, there are only so many traffic allocations to spread around. He questioned what this would do to something viable at the TOD site at Hacienda, and he would hate to lose that opportunity. He felt a visioning process should occur as to what we want Hacienda to look like before any of the other proposals move forward. Also, the City needs to get the General Plan traffic models. He therefore felt it should not move forward in parallel. Regarding the housing cap issue, Councilmember Sullivan said the City has enough units left under the cap to do something, and as a community, we should prioritize where we want the rest of the housing to be and he felt this process could be a basis for some of that. Councilmember McGovern said it was mentioned that square footage would be taken from other areas in Hacienda to be able to add the 480,000 square feet. She questioned if this had been approved by other property owners. Mr. Iserson said they would be getting residential instead and the owners have been having those internal discussions in changing over to residential. CC/PC Joint Workshop Minutes 15 August 27, 2008