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owners association, and residents to meet and return with recommendations. He volunteered to be on that subcommittee. Vice Mayor Thorne believed a PUD process can work, it can provide the same level of scrutiny and public participation as a specific plan process, as long as public participation is there. He also agreed to include adjacent property owners as well. He said he was not prepared to abandon the City's priorities and he wants to make sure that the General Plan and Staples Ranch gets finished which are his top priorities. Councilmember McGovern said she would like to know what the PUD process is, how inclusive it is, voiced concern that there are already development agreements and plans in place which she has not seen for a very long time. She questioned if there would be a process for the Planning Commission to review these in order to understand the current situation and what kinds of impacts there would be for the overall community as well as for Hacienda. City Manager Fialho said if the Council adopted the task force concept or subcommittee process, this could be a stage for public participation and dialogue in order to provide background information to the Council. In turn this information can be provided to the remainder of the two Councilmembers and Planning Commissioners, and confirmed with Councilmember McGovern that the PUD process would go first to the entire Planning Commission and then to the entire Council. He also confirmed the meetings would be subject to the Brown Act and noticing. Councilmember McGovern referred to the additional 480,000 square feet for CarrAmerica, and confirmed this was included in the 1 million square feet left. She said she could support the PUD process if it was one that has been described to her. She asked that not only the adjacent homeowner associations, but the Stoneridge Drive residents should also be brought in. She hoped that all Hacienda housing areas within the business park are represented, as well as apartment residents and Stoneridge residents. Councilmember McGovern voiced concern with parking and the FAR, for other developments and not a part of determining whether or not a PUD or specific plan process is used. Councilmember Sullivan agreed, and he suggested first figuring out the process. City Manager Fialho agreed and said he had asked staff to relay that the focus be on three fundamental questions; 1) the specific plan or a PUD process; 2) direction on the subcommittee or task force process which is an added process and not a streamlined process; and 3) provide direction about CarrAmerica; either tracking parallel with the PUD process or having it ultimately track on its own as a separate project because it does not limit a residential development. Commissioner O'Connor asked if the extra square footage on CarrAmerica, was in addition to the current 1 million square feet, or is it being reallocated where the 1 million square feet is being placed. Mr. Reber said they are essentially reallocating it; they will be able to take it off other properties that could potentially go mixed use or residential. Councilmember Cook-Kallio said she supported the PUD process as outlined, but felt it was extremely interesting that a TOD is defined by one-quarter to one-half mile walking distance, but when busing school children its define as 1 to 1.5 miles. She said one of the reasons it feels longer to walk through Hacienda is because of the way things look. She was interested in exploring things that soften the intense development, was interested in seeing trails, pedestrian walkways, connectors, trees, and she agreed with comments of Councilmember Sullivan. She CC/PC Joint Workshop Minutes 14 August 27, 2008