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Elementary School, Valley View Elementary School, and Hearst Elementary School <br />neighborhoods. She noted that the facility was near the Alisal Elementary School attendance <br />district. With respect to the waiver, she questioned whether children who would leave the <br />facility on their own would walk to their residential areas such as in the Lydiksen Elementary <br />School and Hearst Elementary School locations. <br />Ms. Decker noted that Commissioner Fox's first statement regarding the letters from parents <br />generally addressed "care," not "day care," although some letters specifically stated that if the <br />after-school program were to be closed down, some parents would need to find day care. Staff <br />noted that this application was similar to some other uses that resembled daycare with some of <br />the components of daycare, such as transportation, with children at the facility from 11:40 a.in. <br />to 6:00 p.m. Staff crafted language requiring that the children be signed in and out in order to <br />follow the City's practice. Similarly, as an example, Ms. Decker stated that the City had many <br />applications with second residential units that looked like and had all of the facilities for second <br />residential units; residents may state that they were not second residential units, but the City <br />would proceed in requiring that they conform to the second residential unit ordinance. <br />Generally, if a site resembled a particular use, the City proceeded on that basis and required the <br />proposal to meet the ordinance. <br />With respect to Commissioner Fox's question regarding children in industrial areas being free to <br />come and go, Ms. Decker replied that the issue of having use permits in industrial zones <br />involving children has been a particularly difficult for both staff and the Planning Commission. <br />Staff has had various internal discussions regarding the appropriateness of having these uses in <br />industrial areas and that the Code allowed these uses with conditional use permits. Staff looked <br />specifically at the adjacent uses and the parking impacts and what could happen in the future <br />when the uses may change. She noted that the letter written by DSS stated that children at any <br />age would be free to come and go as they wished. She recalled Commissioner Pearce's <br />observation that smaller children were held back by the operator and were told that they could <br />not leave. She noted that the issue of supervision was a fine line and that if the operator were to <br />prevent the child from leaving the premises with anyone other than the supervising adult, the <br />applicant would be acting in a supervisory capacity, which contradicts the DSS policy. In that <br />case, the applicant is indeed acting as a daycare facility in a supervisory capacity. <br />Commissioner Fox noted that she called DSS and received examples of several martial arts <br />studios licensed as daycare facilities by the State. One is Cerezo's Martial Arts on Florin Mall in <br />Sacramento, which provided a webpage for an after-school program for children ages 5 to 13 <br />years and operates from 2:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Another is Manna's Martial Arts After School <br />program, which is also a licensed daycare facility. <br />She noted that for the applicant's proposal to have children at the facility from 11:30 a.m. until <br />6:15 p.m., there was the potential for a particular child to spend 33 hours per week in the facility <br />compared to the 17 hours that children are spending in martial arts facilities cited previously that <br />were licensed by the State. She inquired whether exceeding 15 or 16 or 17 hours per week <br />would require the applicant's facility to be licensed as a daycare facility and whether it was <br />staff s opinion that the proposed application would need to be licensed by the State as a childcare <br />facility. Ms. Decker replied that numerous martial arts studios operated in the City as martial <br />EXCERPTS: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, February 13, 2008 Page 3 of 19 <br />