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about transit-oriented development and how it affects traffic and transportation choices, as well as the economics from both retail and office aspects. Mr. Haskell referred to the NASA Ames Research Park in Mountain View as an example of development that took strong measures to minimize traffic impacts on the surrounding area. He noted transportation demand management methods. Ms. Greenberg said there is a lot of data on transit-oriented development and the way specific built environment factors contribute to people's travel choices. She noted the significant experience of the consultant team and their knowledge of the subject nationwide. She noted the unique factors of Hacienda Business Park such as its size, its suburban location, etc. Mr. Sullivan acknowledged there is a lot of data and experience that supports the concept, but just not many office parks that have actually tried this, so it is unknown if it will be successful. He acknowledged that the TOD philosophy works if there is the right mix of elements. He then referred to the demographics and asked if they had considered older people who are downsizing after the children grew up and moved out? Ms. Greenberg said research has been done on the aging of the population and the desires to no longer keep up the house and yards, but still want the community benefits. Mr. Sullivan noted the traffic challenges in Pleasanton and the region. Hacienda already has entitlements to build 1.8 million square feet of office space and that will add a lot of cars to the problem. Part of the issue is trying to get these cars out of the business park and onto the freeway. He asked how the transit-oriented development concept could help this situation and perhaps the traffic the city is currently struggling with. Mr. Lee said most of the focus on transit-oriented development has been on the residential portion. He noted the four "Ds" - density, diversity of uses, design for pedestrian use and destinations. The key is that people would be at the edge of Pleasanton separated from the city by the business park and this would give many opportunities to work and shop in the area. For anyone headed west, they could use BART. The vehicle trip reduction of the residential units here would be lower than any other location in the valley. He believed it would help with the larger picture as well. He believed there would be more opportunities for transit to the east such as BART and continuation of the ACE train. Mr. Sullivan felt on a short-term basis there could be some kind of bus going east if there is a critical mass to support it. Mr. Lee noted he had never seen a BART station surrounded by nothing. There is a great opportunity in this area, not only for Hacienda employees, residents and users, but also for other transit in all directions. Joint Workshop City Council/Planning Commission 4 10/25/05