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Mayor Tarver asked if he knew of any small handguns that were being sold that were not on the list? Mr. Thomas said no. Ms. Ayala asked if women were buying any of the handguns that were listed? Mr. Thomas said if the ordinance was passed women would not be able to buy small guns that were available for women. Ms. Ayala asked if the guns Outdoor World carried were constructed or made of materials of lesser quality than the original patent design. Mr. Thomas said Outdoor World carried name brands like Wesson, Colt, and Luger and felt they were built according to proper specifications. Ms. Ayala stated the guns listed on the roster to be banned had three components: 1) firearms built by methods with materials of lesser quality than the original patents; 2) semi- automatic pistols with the design originally meant for lower pressure cartridges but adapted for higher pressure cartridges; and 3) firearms with pre-1898 rim fire designs but newly made to use modern high pressure ammunition. Roger Gathers, 1212 Harvest Road, gave a brief background of his experience. He asked if any of the Council had read the Wright-Rossi study? He said it was a four year federally funded $400,000 study during the Carter administration. The study was commissioned to justify a national gun control law to determine the best form of gun control. It covered all gun control and crime rates in the United States until 1981. It was conducted by two gun control advocates until their report determined gun control did not control crime. He felt Council had not read the results of the most extensive scientific study done on gun control and it would not be able to render a competent judgment. He listed other studies the Council should read. He stated the study did not break down non-lethal injuries involving guns in the home. He said that Kellerman admitted he would want his wife to have a 38-special if a violent confrontation were unavoidable. He said according to the newspaper Ms. Michelotti had been consulting with fire arm expert Whit Collins. He wanted to know if there were others and what were their credentials? He said Whit Collins had no credentials, but was only a consultant for Handgun Control, Inc. He asked if city money had been spent to hire Mr. Collins? Joel Sclafans, 4161 Crystal Ball Way, said he loved living in Pleasanton. He understood the issues involving guns were both confusing for adults and children. He said he had been taught gun safety by his parents. He knew that the right to bear arms was a right and with this right came a responsibility. He did not understand all the parts of the proposed ordinance, but he did not think that laws banning certain handguns to certain people was good. He hoped that Pleasanton City Council 6 02/09/98 Minutes