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people via social media. Ms. Murphy noted that public comment is always welcome at Commission meetings. Commissioner Lehman liked the idea of replacing fines with services for children and as they learn responsibilities, fines could be applied for adults. Ms. Murphy advised that it is typical to have no fines for children and seniors, but not providing equal services can be cause challenges. She noted that most libraries are moving to a Materials Return Policy. Commissioner Lehman indicated that he views fines as a sin tax and doesn't support any sin tax. He felt City Council should be asked to provide more funds to help cover any loss because of eliminating fines. Ms. Murphy commented on ways of offsetting the loss by looking for efficiencies. She discussed the city's budget management and areas that can be considered for offsets to the loss of revenues without disrupting any public services. Ms. Bushong provided information received from library comment cards. Chairperson Hertle commented on the mission of the library to provide services to all, how the library is relevant to the community, and why she had asked the Taylors to attend the meeting. She commented on the topic of getting people to visit the library and attend Library Commission meetings, and felt it was important that the Commission hear from members of the community. Chairperson Hertle felt it was time for the City of Pleasanton to replace library fines and fees with a Materials Recovery Policy and believes there are enough positive statistics to support such. She felt because people were embarrassed to return items late and encounter late fees that they often chose not to return items and not return to the library. Commissioner Skowlund was informed by Ms. Murphy that staff was analyzing aspects of duplicated programs between various divisions of the department and are collecting information to determine what and when changes should be made. She advised that information pertaining to this would likely be made available in the fall. Commissioner Skowlund indicated that she would like to know all components before voting on something. A motion was made by Chairperson Hertle, seconded by Commissioner Rai, recommending City Council adopt a new materials recovery policy to replace the existing fines and fees model and consider offsetting any loss in revenue with funds from the City's budget. ROLL CALL VOTE: AYES: Commissioners Damaser Grewel, Lehman, Rai, Skowlund, and Chairperson Hertle. NOES: Commissioner Nibert ABSENT: Commissioner Sabatini ABSTAIN: None Library Commission March 7, 2019 Page 4