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Discussion Questions: (1) Do you support the move of the Civic Center /Library to the Bernal Property site? (2) Do you have any comments on any aspect of the draft Civic Center/Library Master Plan? Commissioner Brown: Yes, I support the move. I think it's a good use. No other comments. Commissioner Nagler: Yes, and the reason I support the move is because of the economics of it, sort of at the basis. There is no land cost here because the City owns both properties, so the other question is how do you finance construction? And more than anything else, the move helps pay for the new construction. Commissioner Balch: I'm cautious about it. I'm not sold, but I'm not saying no. You know, not serving on the task force, I'll just show you my basis for why I'm concerned and then it may have been considered and it may not have been, but you know, the one thing the employees of City Hall do provide is an economic base for the downtown. Dinner, lunches, meals, you know you're an employer in the City just like everyone else along Main Street and downtown and I'm sure they've looked at that. But, frankly when we talk about City Hall being the heart of the community I really appreciate City Hall being downtown right here. I really have appreciated it because I cannot begin to count the number of times where I've had lunch meetings with people and the walking relationship and sharing of food and beverages is very good to have, and I just worry this is one block too far. That being said, I completely understand the economics. Dolan: Does it make you feel any better if you think about it in terms of downtown after this is all said and done will be one block closer? Commissioner Balch: It is, but you know, and that's where it's a little difficult to decide what would be there, not seeing it, with the housing on one side of Bernal and the other side for example; the apartments built. I can see it could come together. I don't want to say no, but there's something nice about our downtown landing into our city complex. I mean, I personally think there's something nice about that and I like the fact that our City events, at least for us, the Library, City Hall in the downtown just fits well and I'm not saying this is terribly far. I mean we all know it's virtually two blocks, right, but I'm nervous. In terms of my overall design plans which are Number 2 comments, I think you've got to go three stories on the parking structure and even talking about a four -story would be necessary as your expansion. I don't think two would even get you down the block. I think you're going to be giving a little bit to Ace whether you like it or not because I'm sure they don't own the Fair's parking lot right next door and they seem to love it for the last week in June and the first week in July, and this is awfully convenient right across the street, especially when Pleasanton Avenue and Bernal get improved even stronger. So I would like to see the parking structure be larger and I would like, as Commissioner Nagler argued, that parking on the grade be refrained or restricted or reduced as much as possible. I think the non - permeable asphalt surface is difficult to overcome. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 28, 2016 Page 6 of 32