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Safeway center where the Starbucks is overflowing in the shopping center. Here the overflow is into the street and a street that's really busy and going to get busier. Commissioner O'Connor: And my answer is also "no ". When you speak about the Starbucks at Safeway I remember when we approved that project and we didn't think it was going to be as bad as they are today. But I do think we can get a lot better layout and a lot better look by not having the drive -thru and bringing those buildings forward up to the front curb. I think it will add additional parking and alleviate a lot of the potential problems we see today. Commissioner Balch: I don't support the current layout. I'm not familiar enough with the queueing so I will kind of more defer to staff on what the queueing should be. But, in general, I do not like this front parking lot in front of A. I would find this, call it the curb cut entry or whatever the entrance off of Johnson Court to be .... I just see this as getting fraught with difficulty to get in and fraught with difficulty to get out and make the two rights right onto Johnson Court and right onto Owens Drive and frankly, I think Galen has done an excellent job advocating for his client and doing layouts and designs that are every bit as good as we'd like in the City and more, but I just have difficulty with this layout. This property is definitely a tough nut in my opinion and I hate to say it because I know his work, but I just can't get here on this one. Commissioner Nagler: I know the second question is about the architecture, which is to say the presence of this, so I'll just say I think this is a very attractive project that would substantially increase the value and the use of this piece of property to people of Pleasanton. So I know that's what I wasn't asked to comment on, but what I'm about to say gives that context. As was pointed out, whether it's 10 cars, 12 cars, 13 cars in a queue, it's a very subjective thing and so it's impossible to say this project works with 12 and not with 11 1 think. But, having said that I completely agree with the comments Commissioner Allen has made that because of the site location, because of the other buildings that are in the area and other uses including the Chick -Fil -A site we have to be extremely cautious about the traffic flow on this site and I agree with the other Commissioners that this layout for me doesn't mitigate that risk sufficiently and somehow getting the cars in a queue more to the rear of the building, so an entrance further up Johnson Court and extending the length of A or however the increase in the circulation in the parking lot, separating that circulation from the drive -thru if that were possible I think would be an important site improvement. And, also I have to say I don't have a problem with the parking being on the street the way it is. Not on the street, but you know what I mean —the parking being in front of A towards the street —in other words not having parking behind A and having A on Owens. Commissioner Balch: Oh, so you'd be okay with no B? Commissioner Nagler: Well, I'd be okay with no B. I just want to say as a principle because of the need to easily access the parking I don't actually have a problem with the B lot being in the front. Commissioner Brown: Put simply it seems like if the desire to have the drive -thru doesn't fit in a design if after 20 iterations that it isn't a perfect for the property. I don't know how else to put it, whether its 11 or 12 and I'm not even trying to design it PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 28, 2016 Page 25 of 32