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depict the height and massing of that structure and I think it's what he could do according to him in the time he had allotted and he knew that his hearing date was coming up. I think we've all seen story poles. You've driven through Woodside. You've driven through Palo Alto. You've seen these structures in other communities and we'll make it clear to folks they have to get to that level of story pole. Commissioner Balch: If I may, I know you're kind of on the spot for all of this so I'll try to be brief, as Julie's probably going to cut us off. You know how we're doing these Matters for Commission Information, I would possibly recommend that maybe if staff has time that you suggest what kind of a story pole standard could look like, or maybe we start taking pictures of what people actually put up so we can start to compare over time. I don't know. I'm just trying to say it's an on -going conversation. We're not going to solve this today. Beaudin: This is one of those things that the devil's not in the details here. The code is pretty clear it's about height and mass and so as long as those things are depicted, I think that we need to have some criteria that makes it clear to people that we expect a certain level of clarity from the story pole. How they do it, what it looks like; if someone wants to construct it out of steel, it might be okay. As long as it does what it's supposed to do I don't know that we want to.... Commissioner Balch: ... muck it up. Beaudin: It's a lot of staff time to go ahead and develop story pole options. Commissioner Nagler: I don't know if anyone has pictures of it, but I think in our own history we have good examples. On the Cunningham's house that was proposed but not built on Neal, they put up story poles I think what we're talking about. On the Spring Street project again, there was one pole at the very corner of the property. That's not what we're talking about. And so I think if there were photographs of that, you could simply show an applicant and say this is the kind of thing the Commission's talking about. Chair Ritter: Commissioner Brown, you had a question? Commissioner Brown: I was just going to reiterate Jack and David, I mean, if preferably we could have photos of Pleasanton projects, but if not, we should get photos of good examples in other cities and make them available to applicants as suggestions and nothing more. Like you said, you don't want to define the standard, but this is a showcase or a good example. Chair Ritter: So this isn't an agenda item so we need to move on and staff gets direction from what the Commission wants. Is that correct? Beaudin: Yes, I understand the request. Again, I think this becomes part of a request that ... the code says what it says. Height and mass are the criteria. If we want to go farther, then it's an effort and I'm going to have planning staff work on great projects and not on great story poles. The story poles have to tell the story, but until I receive that direction I can't spend staff time putting together a study of story poles. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 14, 2016 Page 8 of 22