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Commissioner O'Connor: So if the appropriate time to bring this up is staff's work session, when is the appropriate time to bring this up when there is not a work session? Beaudin: If something is a new building downtown, you're going to see it in a work session. The story pole requirement comes from the Downtown section of the code. Elsewhere in the City it's not in the code as an opportunity, and that goes to the broader discussion about neighborhood notice and notification and story poles and how we make the community aware of what we're up to. When we started this conversation a few weeks back we talked a little bit about the Council Work Plan and seeing if there's a policy level interest in re- looking at some of those techniques and tools that we have and frankly the regulations we have in the code, and if those are things we can get traction on then we make them part of the work plan when we do that work. Commissioner O'Connor: But we have asked for story poles outside of the Downtown area. Beaudin: It's a request at that point though. It's not a code requirement. It's not an application component and most developers will comply. They understand the value, and this was a conversation about the office .... the three- or four -story office development. Story poles just aren't practical in that context, and so it's just context - specific and we'll try and be as sensitive as we can where we think there's going to be view issues or incompatibility issues or compatibility issues and we'll try and make this a clearer priority in our discussions earlier with applications and with applicants. It is very clear to me. The conversation tonight has been helpful and I think for downtown uses, we just have to be really focused on getting complete applications for you which will include this conversation with applicants even when they come in for pre - application meetings. Commissioner Allen: Thank you. The very last question I have because I think people brought it up is that Gerry, could you clarify what - - -and I have copies here if you need it or anyone else would like it —I just thought it would be important to clarify what the Muni Code requirements are relative to what a legitimate story pole structure should be for a developer to install to meet the City code and when it needs to be placed. Beaudin: I don't have that section of the code in front of me, but.... Commissioner Allen: .... I'll just give it to you. I'm just sharing it because it did come up by a couple of folks about what is the legitimate story pole structure. Beaudin: So we actually don't define it in the code is what it looks like in the code to me. It has to depict the height and mass of the proposed house or addition and it is to meet the satisfaction of the Zoning Administrator or the Planning Commission is what the language in the code says. This is what you handed to me. I'm pretty sure this is the most recent, up to date version of our code. What I would say is again, as part of the notification process we may just want to develop some criteria around what story poles are and have them part of our application packet. I think that the challenge that I have there is just making sure I have the adequate staff time to do that work now. What I will tell you is that they will not look like what Mike Carey did on the project. I'll name names because it's very recent and I think it wasn't a story pole. It was an attempt he made to PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 14, 2016 Page 7 of 22