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that's how we came up with —I forget what the number was —that we had turned around and proposed. We said during six or seven months, we'll do about eight events. Commissioner O'Connor: But at no point did you say you would cease to use that area? Salazar: It doesn't seem fair for us not to use that facility, that's correct, and that's because, again we use it, our kids use it, so you know, it didn't seem fair for us not to be able to use that. Any other questions? Commissioner Balch: So could you maybe elaborate, for prior to 2008, let's call it 1980 to 2005, how did you use that area, that buffer zone differently than using it subsequent? Salazar: Well, in 2006 was when we actually put the door in there, so prior to then you're asking? Commissioner Balch: Yes Salazar: Again, we used it for where we would put a dunk tank out there and do BBQs. One of our members has one of those BBQ things that you pull it and drop, and put it back there and BBQ hot dogs and hamburgers for all of our members. Commissioner Balch: So I want to ask maybe for confirmation, it sounds like that's a Mason event versus it sounded like now you have talked about non -Mason rental events. Salazar: Right. That was strictly the Masons. Commissioner Balch: So that's a significant change you would agree with, correct, since approximately that point in time? Salazar: Yes, because no one would rent the backyard back there, correct. Commissioner Balch: Thank you. Ed Broome: I don't think I'll use all five minutes and I promise I won't bring up the Johnson Drive EDZ. So briefly, I live on Hawaii Court within Valley Trails. I'm sympathetic to the Miller's issue. I'm fairly passionate about it now and probably more passionate if I were in their proximity to the Masons. I think what I've discovered in just kind of listening to staff and listening to the interaction back and forth, the use of this as you just pointed out has morphed from a fraternal organization who's using the facility probably a majority of the percentage of time to a semi - public venue now where they have outside groups using the facility and majority of the time or at least an equal amount of time. I think the other thing I found interesting was the number of sheds on the property and they are not in the best condition. I think the result of those sheds being there is the lease agreement or rental agreement that they have with the catering company to use their commercial kitchen and yes they do obviously cater events off - site, but they're there a good percentage of the time using that kitchen which is kind of to me, you're splitting hairs on that use permit. Also the thing that I want to stress here PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, June 22, 2016 Page 23 of 56