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use it back then. We have a dunk tank. We have a BBQ. We have 100 members out there with our kids so I'm not sure where the statement is that they would never use prior to that. That's not a true statement. We actually do rent the facility not only to outside groups but also the Masons here sponsor free youth groups. Okay? I happen to work with one of those. I think you mentioned that on there. It's a youth group for young men where we teach them leadership skills and character development. One of those things again is trying to teach them how to plan and things like that so we rent it to them at a reasonable rate. It probably doesn't pay for the electricity and the use of the building, but we do charge them, so there is rent associated with that but again, it's not a whole lot, but it's just a way to teach them how to manage themselves and how to conduct themselves in a proper way. So we do have kids out there. You know there were some comments from some of the members that live in the community talking about they live in the community and it's been fairly quiet. I think their concerns are allowing the lodge to have 600 people out there in the backyard. I don't think they want it and I know we don't want it so I don't think that's an issue. We talked about trying to stay within the constraints of the timeframe in which, you know, during the day or whatever. If I'm a resident of Pleasanton and I have a neighbor in the back who has a pool, and during the summer they've got kids playing out there, and I'm sure if I took a noise meter out there, it would probably exceed whatever the limit is that we have. But that's just kids. I'm not about to call Pleasanton Police and go and have them tell my neighbors in the back that they can't be jumping in the pool. So, you know, there's also one of the letters that is in, actually again, in support of the Millers that talks about it's a quiet community. We again try to do that. Commissioner Allen, you mentioned that you were looking at our website and the last entry was in May. Well, we haven't had any others since then. So we ourselves have turned around and said until we get some of this fixed, again, trying to be good neighbors, trying to curtail some of our rentals also. We publicly want to attest to the fact that we had issues back in 2008. Yes, we put it out to a third party. It didn't work for us. When the City came and asked us not to do the event, there was a signed contract so we were told legally if we didn't do it they were going to sue us so we went ahead and went with the event. Of course, once they broke the agreement we had to tell them to stop and leave. So I publicly want to apologize to you and also to the members of Pleasanton and say that wasn't our intent. So hopefully we've taken things into our own hands and try to manage the issues that we have. So we're here to turn around and say the Masons are trying to be good neighbors. Thanks for your time. Commissioner O'Connor: I have one question. You had mentioned that you had tried to negotiate in the past with the Millers, but couldn't come to an agreement. Salazar: Correct. Commissioner O'Connor: In any of your proposals, whatever the other items were, did you ever at any time agree not to use the outside buffer zone area between the building and the back fence? Salazar: In our agreements we turned around and that's why we were talking about let's do it only a couple of times during the month that we would actually rent it, and PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, June 22, 2016 Page 22 of 56