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Chair Ritter: So you're going right to discussion point 3; great segway there! I'm going to let <br />you keep talking because this is number 3 and Jennifer, do you have anything you want to <br />add at this point as to what you're looking for? <br />Hagen: On this one right now, similar to what you had just gone through we want to know <br />whether you think the open space concept is appropriate or whether you would rather have <br />programmed space similar to tot lots, as well as if you had any comments on the layout and <br />concept for the amenities and community garden park as well. <br />Weinstein: And if I could just ask for clarification as well when you're talking about density <br />and the relationship between the project density and the open space, if you could clarify to <br />what extent are you talking about number of units versus the actual building mass because <br />there are ways to extract more open space out of this project that would involve not <br />necessarily carving off residential units from this site but reducing the size of houses or <br />clustering them together. So, to the extent you can talk about those two options as well, I <br />think that would be helpful as well in staffs view to work with the applicant. <br />Commissioner Nagler: So everything that's been said and then in response to how this, as I <br />see it, to potentially create more open space, it is what I was referring to in fact is the <br />number of units and so the obvious conclusion to me would be to ask for reduction in <br />number of units in order to get green space. If instead, you can change the configuration of <br />the neighborhood or change the lot sizes or keep the number of units, I probably would be <br />open to that personally, although to do that it likely would make the neighborhood more <br />compact, right? <br />Weinstein: Some of the houses may be more compact. There could be clustering of houses <br />with larger amounts of open space and there are lots of ways. <br />Commissioner Nagler: That's fine, and I know there are public amenities and I'm sorry that <br />I'm skipping around but just to be clear in going back to the site plan comment, I think the <br />fact that these are more affordable homes and by definition therefore are smaller is a good <br />thing. It's a real attribute of this project, so I just want to be clear that I say that. <br />So then on the public amenities, we should talk I guess later about the restoration or not of <br />the historical home, but as it relates to the barn and that historic park, I think that the <br />concept is great and it should definitely be supported. I obviously don't think that the <br />number of public amenities is sufficient by virtue of my comment about the open green <br />space and that more could be done and should be done. <br />Commissioner Brown: Okay, I actually want to go back to point 2 for a second. I just noticed <br />Lots 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 off of D Street, there's really no way to get there by sidewalks <br />which I find kind of odd and how do you get to Lots 14 and 15? 1 see how you get to Lot 16, <br />but I'm presuming the front is facing to the right? <br />Hagen: Right, so that's one —we had a small section in the staff report about areas that we <br />already identified that we want to work with the applicant. One of those specifically is the <br />homes on D Street that front the wall basically and the homes on K Street that front the wall. <br />We want to explore different options with the applicant potentially creating a fifth unit type <br />that maybe has a front door entry on the same elevation as the garage or something that <br />has a side entry so it's not necessarily facing the back wall. It's something we have <br />identified as something we want to work with further. <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, April 27, 2016 Page 28 of 43 <br />