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Commissioner Brown: In terms of the open space and this kind of gets into how space is designed and so forth, I've got similar concerns as Commissioner Nagler in terms of the number of units and the spacing between the units. One of the questions... anyway, I'm digressing off number 3, but it does relate to the public amenities in that I think with less units you have better open space. I do have some skepticism much like Commissioner Nagler around the vision of re- creating the barn and the water tower and so on. I mean, it kind of comes down to what you expect the owners to be, right? So we heard tonight from a lot of people who said this is a really special project because this is the Sunflower Hill component and a lot of them would like to buy these two -story homes so that they can partner their adult children who will survive them from a life perspective and give them an opportunity to thrive and integrate into the community. So, the reason I bring it up, it addresses multiple things. It was mentioned earlier that most of those folks will not be driving. So it touches on the parking. Right now, if my assumption is that other families purchase these then parking is insufficient. If families of special needs individuals are collaborating and buying these homes, then the parking is less of an issue and the open space component —and the reason I bring it up is that if the proponents of buyers of single family homes have children, then they're going to need a play area, right? They will try to climb that barn for recreation and not necessarily play in the greenhouse whereas if it's adult children that are living in that community, they're going to need and expect a different type of open space. So I'm kind of struggling with how you balance that because I'll be looking for quiet reflection type places versus playground spaces. And we can't control it because the 95 homes or whatever it ends up being would be priced at fair market price so you can't control it but it does affect all of those components and that's why I bring it up. From my perspective, once side will have insufficient parking; the other the wrong kind of open space, but what I see in the project is probably the right kind of open space and the right kind of parking depending on what the homes end up being. So those are my comments. Chair Ritter: Thanks. With regard to public amenities, I think it depends on the target market we're going after for this. Workday came in here the other day and said they are looking for their young professionals for a place to live close to the downtown, so this might not be just a kid's area but it might be young professionals moving in there. But as far as getting density, I know the applicant put up a picture of rooftops where we could have single families and it looks less dense or you get townhomes with four in one unit and the rooftop sits denser. I think because the yards are kind of small, I think it's important to have more public areas so I would give up a little bit of density, make it a little more dense to get some more green space in my opinion and I'm going to leave that to the professional to decide, but this is just a workshop so just a general overview and those are my thoughts on amenities. Commissioner O'Connor: I too think for me more open space and how to create that. So would rather not see these go into a clustered or attached type of townhouse or condo. I'd rather see them stay single family and I would leave it up to the developer and the City to work this out, but I'm not necessarily thinking we have to have less units, but maybe the larger units could be smaller so there are two things —we create more space and we create more affordability because if they were all in that 1,600 to 1,800 square feet and we did not move up into the 2,400 square feet, they are going to be more affordable. Maybe in there we could save the space of two or three homes to create more green space. But, you know, we do have a tree park, a central green and a few things like that that I think would appeal to an older set of children and young professionals, but I still think we should have something. If this is more affordable and young families can afford this, I think we need to PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, April 27, 2016 Page 29 of 43