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deal was that the church would be an important part of that property and part of the deal for <br />the development. I'm thinking of this in a similar way. This is background for my question <br />and what we learned there was that over time in this case, the church decided that they <br />were going to sell the property and find a less expensive property and profit. They were <br />going to sell the property that they got semi - donated to them at a lower cost and ended up <br />making money and buying another property and re- investing in their church. So I'm thinking <br />about this because as Planning Commissioners, we're really supposed to look at zoning. As <br />Chair Ritter always reminds us, look at zoning and not the occupant of the zoning. <br />So in looking at the zoning we're creating; high density, my question is what happens if <br />whoever the occupant is, and in this case the occupant we're talking about. What happens if <br />for some business reason things change and they decide that they want to sell this property <br />that has been donated to them and move to a different place or consolidate more in <br />Livermore? <br />Hagen: That's still part of the negotiations and terms of what the nature of the affordable <br />housing agreement is. As we discussed, the developer of the Irby project will be donating <br />the land to the City and then the question is, is the City going to —much what we did with <br />Kottinger Gardens, perhaps there is a long -term ground lease or some other structure for <br />the ownership of the 1.34 acres. That would still be an issue for negotiation. <br />Commissioner Allen: So this is new to me. The land is donated to the City and not to the <br />non - profit? Is that what I heard you say? <br />Hagen: That could potentially be one option. There could be another option where it was a <br />direct donation, so there are lots of different potential aspects for how the ownership could <br />work. <br />Commissioner O'Connor: So we haven't decided on that yet? <br />Hagen: That hasn't been decided yet. That's correct. <br />Chair Ritter: It's a workshop. Thank you, great question. I like the idea of leaving this <br />question for last also and maybe we'll go to discussion points. We have 8 topics. If we do <br />10 minutes a topic that's about 80 minutes. So, what I'm asking is that if we all agree on <br />something, you don't have to repeat it. Just agree and we'll go down the line. We'll just kind <br />of take turns going down the road. Would you mind, maybe less than a minute, help discuss <br />this site plan? <br />Hagen: So the first discussion point we're going to talk about is that basically overall: Is the <br />overall site plan and street/pedestrian design layout acceptable? We are looking for <br />comments on the visibility, the connections between the green spaces, sidewalks on the <br />site, the overall parking design and layout. Is this something you feel acceptable such as <br />are there enough sidewalks, enough pedestrian access? When you drive by Stanley, can <br />you see directly into the property? So we are looking for comments from you on that and <br />whether you feel the current design is appropriate. <br />Commissioner Allen: So high level, I agree with everything that staff is putting here under <br />their recommendations and changes under amenities, page 12 of 17. So just specifically, I <br />agree that ideally there should be some kind of program, active space or enclosed active <br />space for children. <br />Chair Ritter: Wait a minute — that's amenities. We're number 2, site plan <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, April 27, 2016 Page 24 of 43 <br />