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Commissioner O'Connor: No, like 10 per house and do you know how many per 100 or 1,000 square feet? Tassano: Let me see if I can find it real quick. It might be in here. 20, so 65,000 square feet would be 2,100 trips. Commissioner Nagler: Twice as many as anticipated. Chair Ritter: But we get caught up in the difference. We say twice as many but if we're going to 95 homes versus developing this as a commercial /industrial lot, it's not twice as many as it would be if it were developed under your current zoning. It's a bit more. Is that correct? Tassano: It's less. Chair Ritter: It's less for 95 homes. That's what I wanted to clarify. Tassano: 1,000 daily trips with residential and 2,000 with the retail. Chair Ritter: Right, so with the current zoning there would be more traffic, but rezoning to 95 homes there would be less traffic. Tassano: Yes. Commissioner Nagler: So here's what I don't know enough to be able to get a picture in my head about, is we're constructing this high density housing across from McDonalds, and you've determined obviously the number of daily trips, total trips and peak hour trips at these various intersections, particularly the problematic intersection that you talked about at the top of Ray Street, and now we're adding another 100 peak hour trips plus a total of 1,000 trips per day. What I can't quite understand is or can't get a picture of, how do those two —even if they were anticipated theoretically, in real terms of someone sitting in their car, sitting at the intersection, waiting for their turn, how do these two projects together change the current traffic flow? That's my question. Tassano: I can't give you definitive answers. I can bring that back, but the way we would look at it is, the easiest way to look at it, from a driver perspective is how much longer you have to wait at that signal. Do you currently wait 30 seconds and now you're going to wait 42 seconds? So 12 seconds is pretty significant. Our level of service standard where it's unacceptable is if you have to wait more than 55 seconds. That's an average so if you wait 110 and someone else waits zero, then we're dead even from the last time. The 350 units, because they're apartments, they generate fewer trips per day instead of the magic number of 10 for single family. Apartments are 6. They also generate in the peak hour. They don't generate 1. They generate .6 and so it's a little bit reduced. So it seems like, 350, oh my gosh, that's 3 '/z times this development, right, but instead of 350 you go half which is 175 and a bit more or call it 200, so call it 200 trips. This one does 100 trips in the p.m. and you can see that roughly that 350 apartment complex which sounds huge and menacing generates 200 trips and this would generate 100 trips. You do that same distribution where you break out the in's and the out's and the directions they are going and then we look to see what that difference is, but I don't have the exact number of seconds. I'm not sure how much that is. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, April 27, 2016 Page 22 of 43