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not have a problem with an exterior stairway, but he assumed it would have to be an interior stairway if it was to have the "Pleasanton look." He added, though, that this is not a game stopper for him. Commissioner Ritter stated that he likes the two -story as well as the open look of the staircase. Commissioner Piper agreed. She indicated that she is very much in favor of two stories and finds the exterior staircase to be a pretty neat look as well, but expressed concern about when it rains. She stated that the majority of people will probably use this staircase since it is only a two -story building and cannot imagine that many people using the elevator. Commissioner Balch stated that he generally does not have a problem with two stories, noting that the earlier conversation about setbacks factors into it. He indicated that he has a slight issue with Building A being a two -story and the parking directly adjacent to Building A and would prefer more of a building, such as Building D, that has better ample parking, and some particular section that has the same floor plan as Building A, and then make Building A a single -story. He stated that he understands that Buildings A and B may be together probably for symmetry. Commissioner Balch stated that the applicant's statement that they are doing this quasi -office changed his view of the staircases. He indicated that he was initially fine with the staircases, thinking it was pure office, because the number of trips up and down the staircase would probably be used by the same people and minimized to twice a day; however, as a quasi -office retail, it will have a traffic load, and people will probably be taking the staircase. He noted that the architect mentioned the tightness of the site and the parking ratio, but with 11.5 acres and a parking ratio of 4.8 per thousand, the applicant should be able to tuck in the staircases. Commissioner Allen stated that she was fine with a two -story building and liked the look of the outdoor staircase, given this design. She agreed that if it is a traditional design, the staircase should probably be indoor and people may prefer indoor given that they are going to be using it during the winter season. D. Does the Planning Commission have any comments on the proposed landscaping plans, including the vineyard buffer along El Charro Road? Commissioner Ritter stated that he likes the vineyard idea as long as it has a bike path and a walkway so people can get there by walking or biking. He added that although it was not discussed, he assumes that there will be a connection to the park on both sides of the layout. He indicated that he wants to make sure the buildings are looking nice and that there are trees there so it integrates with the park nicely on the west and south sides, and maybe have the vineyards go all the way around. Commissioner Piper stated that she thinks the vineyard is a little bit strange and she finds it hard to visualize it even if it is drawn on the plans. She added that other than that, she does not have any comments on the landscaping and thinks it all looks pretty good. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, October 22, 2014 Page 24 of 30