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moves to the EIR is going through the Specific Plan Design Guidelines and the actual Specific Plan, and the Transfer Station is a subject of a lot of deliberation in the Task Force meeting. He stated that what they have asked for and what was recommended through several members of the Task Force was to give the underlying zoning to the Transfer Station but not have it count towards the total units because, right now, when they are counting all the units as they do the financial feasible studies, and taking away 83 of those units for the Transfer Station would mean less money to pay for all the needed infrastructure. He noted that, as the developers of the project, if they had the extra units, they are willing to say that they will not contribute to the infrastructure as an incentive for them to get more money to sell the property, and they will then offset the cost of the move or cover it. He further noted that they do not know yet what the total cost for doing that is. He asked the Commission to consider those two points as additional recommendations to what staff has. Mr. Constanzo stated that there was some discussion about throwing in another Plan, taking out one of the Plan 5's. He asked that Plan 5A be kept over Plan 5B if that is being considered, because Plan 5A has more land use value. Lastly, Mr. Costanzo stated that everyone gets focused on the numbers and he thinks Mr. Dolan did a very good job of making everyone understand that these are not the final numbers. He indicated that the higher limit was quoted by the Council so that when all the EIR information comes in and all the costs are piled in, whatever is needed will be there; and if it is not needed, he is sure this community will not go to that level. He pointed out that the Preferred Plan, as Mr. Rasmussen described it, has some great points. He indicated that they are looking forward to working with the community, the neighbors in Ironwood, and everybody else to create a Plan that ultimately everyone will like. Patricia Mitchell complimented the Commission as well as the previous Commissioners and staff, for doing a good job. She stated that she knows this is not an easy job, and the Commission is faced with some very difficult decisions here. Ms. Mitchell stated that she is wearing a dual hat here because she is a resident of Ironwood as well as a Pleasanton Unified School District employee. She expressed concern about retail space that was mentioned earlier and asked that how much vacant retail space currently exists in Pleasanton. She stated that she used to have a business in the Vintage Hill Shopping Center, and they struggled for many years to keep that center going; she noted that it was a total eyesore and would not want to see something like that take place again. As far as traffic is concerned, Ms. Mitchell stated that coming out of Ironwood to get onto Valley Avenue is very difficult and challenging at best. She noted that looking at a school in the Hacienda Business Park, even with certain restrictions that have been placed on Hart Middle School, traffic is a nightmare. She indicated that she knows a lot of the businesses around there and how they feel about having a school in the area for the safety of the kids. She stated that there have fortunately not been any major PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 25, 2013 Page 36 of 45