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Commissioner Allen: So my initial impression on this is if these were individual stand- alone row houses, more like Kimberly Commons, small new homes, then this kind of setback feels okay to me. With a triplex, it feels more massive to me, and therefore, I'm feeling like I want a setback that is greater. Chair Ritter: I would look at it the other way. I think because they have an open porch, it feels like it's not right at the curb. Commissioner O'Connor: So the difference is that at the ground floor, the porch sets back and you step right onto the staircase going up. Commissioner Allen: Now are you talking about the Kimberly Commons? Chair Ritter: No the other one. Commissioner Allen: No, I'm not talking about the other one. The other one's not a good example to me. That is overwhelming. I'm talking about the Kimberly Commons which are small little cottage stand -alone units right around the corner. Amos: The one on the corner is actually closer; the duplex, that's on the corner of Peters and St. John. That definitely has a closer setback on that side, but the rest is more comparable to this proposal here with further setbacks. Chair Ritter: That actually feels high. Commissioner Allen: What does? Chair Ritter: Kimberly Commons. Commissioner Allen: The Peter Street side. So now are you confirming that it is 10 feet or you said 10 -15 earlier? I'm just trying to figure out if you know what it is. Amos: Yes, I'm confirming that you can kind of see in the image, to the east of the project, you can see where the building envelopes are and where that line is also on the site plan as well, so they are about the same setbacks. Commissioner Allen: These are the ones on Peters Street? Amos: Correct, with the exception of the duplex on the corner. Commissioner Nagler: I'm okay with it, as long as you heard the guidance on the back side that the fence line needs to be more of a wall than a fence. It needs to be a substantive structure that is aesthetically pleasing but acts both as a visual and a sound barrier. Lee: Yes. Commissioner O'Connor: And in the front when we talk about front setback, I think it would be nice to see, and we'd have to see some visuals later, but like you said, a lower EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 23, 2016 Page 14 of 18