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Lee: Our living space behind that porch is only about 28 feet and that includes a powder, a stairwell and a small living room. So if you take out any front space for additional front setback, you do get a bigger front yard, but.... Commissioner O'Connor: I wasn't suggesting that. I was just getting a feel of how far back the front door was from the property line. Lee: The front door is about 16 feet. Amos: You'll see per the site plan or the PowerPoint, it's just over 16 feet from this property line to this wall. From here to the building wall it's 10 feet. Commissioner Allen: Building wall being the front of the porch? Amos: No, the front of the study area. Lee: The little pop out on this first floor. The second floor steps back from the first floor so there is a little bit of relief on that. The second floor steps back about six feet from the edge of the porch and six to eight feet with a little jog in that. We're considering maybe putting a deck off of that where you can have access from the master bedroom. The master bedroom faces the St. John Street, and we would option it off as a deck option for the buyers. It would have a little French door that opens out to the second level deck that looks down toward St. John Street. On the homes on the back they don't have that offered because we want to maintain the privacy of neighbors. Commissioner O'Connor: So that would come over the front porch? Lee: Yes, they would go over the front porch. To address the private open space, they will get as much private open space on the ground floor as well as the second level. Chair Ritter: I think I'm okay with the setbacks with the openness of them. It's not like it's a big wall coming out. Lee: Right. If you want to add more character to the street, maybe we could put a little picket fence or some kind of low wall in the front to define the public space on the St. John sidewalk; maybe set it back two feet and have a little private yard fence or possible gate before getting to your front porch. It kind of creates a small town feel that Downtown Pleasanton is, so we could be adding more features to the front yard and front yard landscaping to create that quaintness and charm for these buildings. Chair Ritter: I'm not in favor of those little fences. It's too tight. You can put them on a bigger area. Commissioner O'Connor: If you have only eight feet to the front porch and you want to set it back two feet, you only have six feet just to give a picket look. Lee: Or you can do a hedge without the fence. That kind of creates the same buffer zone of private /public space. EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 23, 2016 Page 13 of 18