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Amos: So for example there is a house on Neal Street that does have a metal roof that has the longer part of it that went through design review a few years ago before the standard was established, yes. Weinstein: If I could just add too, I think staff in general feels a little more strongly about the metal roof and the appropriateness of the metal roof than the metal siding. I think we're comfortable with both. I think there's lots of different metal. We're using these guidelines and Commissioner Allen is right, metal is not listed as one of the appropriate building materials. But there's a long history of bad metal being applied to buildings and there's just different levels of quality and standing seam roofs for instance have been used throughout California and throughout the U.S. in a way that is supportive of historic architecture and I think in staff's mind, a standing seam roof with its crisp look and sustainable feel—they'll outlast regular roofs sometimes by a couple of decades—is appropriate and maybe preferable to something like a comp roof which is not prohibited in the guidelines. Again, you're welcome to disagree with us, but the metal, I think Natalie stated it well, is being used on very limited portions of the architecture. We look at the architecture as a whole and there are lots of traditional elements that are being applied here and there are lots of guidelines that need to be reconciled for a project like this so we look at them altogether. I don't want to disagree with Commissioner Allen's assessment of the guideline regarding metal, but I just want to make the point that we're looking at all of the architectural components of the project together and we felt like due to the limited amount of metal being applied to the siding and the other traditional elements in the overall well designed nature of the project, that the metal was okay. Chair Ritter: The intent of it was we don't want a bunch of stainless steel metal siding and sheet roofs, but you could buy wood floors made out of porcelain now so it's kind of the concept. You don't want them to look like metal, as you said. Commissioner Allen: I didn't want us to get into a discussion because each of us could vet this different and I could see where staff came from. I just wanted to say with regard to these guidelines, there was a discussion at Council, the Council is smart, and the Council has seen high quality metal. There are great examples in Napa. I actually like the design, but is it consistent with these new guidelines that were just developed? And I worry that we could be getting ourselves in trouble if we start opening this door when the door was just specified two years ago. My second area of questioning which I'm realizing was something I wish I had brought up in the workshop, but for some reason we really didn't discuss it too much or I just passed it by, was the setbacks on this property. It just struck me we have a 30-foot building and the setback at least on the front of Bernal is one-foot. What is the standard zoning setback for office? And what is the standard zoning setback for the homes on Augustine that we just recently approved that are under construction? Amos: The front yard setback in an Office zoning designation is 20 feet. For those houses that are north of the subject site on Augustine for the RM zoning designation, they are allowed to be reduced to 15 feet because they are in the Core Area Overlay District and are zoned RM which allows for those modified development standards. For this particular property, because it's zoned Office, it does not get to take advantage of EXCERPT: DRAFT PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, July 13, 2016 Page 2 of 21