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Department and the Engineering Department as well for our review where we'll make <br />sure the lights are consistent with what's to the east and that they're also downward <br />facing and reduce spillover glare on the outskirts of the site. <br />Commissioner Nagler: And then on his final point about whether there are home sites <br />backing up into the Arroyo, that's been changed, right? <br />Weinstein: Right, there's the entire creek, the riparian area, the banks of the creek are <br />protected. They are not to be developed and excluded from the home sites themselves. <br />Chair Ritter: One other question, on the liability discussion along the Arroyo with HOAs, <br />how does that work? It sounds like an interesting concept of using the economies of <br />scale. It's a legal question? <br />Seto: The developments that were developed by the Arroyo, as part of their common <br />areas have that area adjacent to the Arroyo, so depending on what improvements were <br />originally built with them, they've accepted those improvements and then the <br />homeowner's association owns that common area and maintains it. So, typically new <br />developments are not forced to join existing homeowner associations. Usually if we <br />have, for example, a large scale project, it might have several phases. That developer <br />might decide that they start a homeowners association with the first phase and as their <br />project has second phases or third phases, then those phases would join an existing <br />homeowners association. So the existing HOA for Rosalyn Estates can certainly have <br />discussions with Ponderosa Homes, but we would not require the two different groups <br />for two different projects to merge. <br />Chair Ritter: Okay. <br />Weinstein: Chair Ritter, I can speak a little about tree growth rate if that's still of interest. <br />Chair Ritter: Sure. <br />Weinstein: I took a quick look at our handy Western Garden manual which we keep in <br />our offices just to get a sense of the growth rate of trees that are being proposed as <br />screening trees. And just for illustrative purposes, there are a couple of species that are <br />proposed as screen trees; there's White Alder, there's European Hornbeam, Cypress <br />and Saratoga Laurel. They're all characterized as fast - growing trees in the Western <br />Garden manual and just as an example, the Cypress tree, Cupressus Leylandii, the <br />manual says it grows from cuttings to about 15 -20 feet within 5 years. So if you think <br />about a 24 -inch box tree at several feet growing at a rate that's a little bit slower than <br />that, you'll probably get to 25, 30, 35 feet within several years, so that's sort of the <br />growth rate we can anticipate for these trees that are proposed for screening. <br />Commissioner O'Connor: So we did receive one letter that discussed existing traffic <br />problems on streets in the area. So this is really not a Ponderosa issue, but is there <br />anything the City is looking into for improving this? Are there any improvements to the <br />intersection, lighting, street lights, stop signs, whatever, that are going to improve these <br />conditions? <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 23, 2016 Page 12 of 46 <br />