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Ms. Diamond stated that the City does have a database that includes the 120 documented units, and staff did a survey a couple years ago. She noted that the Housing Division is planning on getting a workshop together to assist the property owners in the hope that they will rent out their units. She added that occupancy is hard to document as it changes over time. Commissioner Allen stated that she is envisioning a long -term scenario, possibly like a project such as Pleasanton Gateway coming forward that actually builds out with a strategy that, as part of the sales process, the owner can build a second unit, and so it is zoned for that and plans are prepared. She inquired if they would potentially be required to pay fees, such as school impact fees and traffic mitigation fees, up front. Ms. Stern said yes. Commissioner Allen inquired what the development across from the Pleasanton Gateway development that has second units is called and whether these second units, and how many there are, are included in the 120 units counted. Ms. Stern replied the Walnut Hills and Canyon Oaks both have second units and that there are about 20 or 30 second units in those two developments. Ms. Diamond noted that in the survey that went out a couple years ago, there was only a 25- or 30- percent response rate, so staff does not really know how many units are rented out. Commissioner Allen stated that she got excited when she first read the staff report, thinking this is a great opportunity and part of the strategy around affordable housing and an important thing to do. She continued that she is wondering now, if it is hard to count these, there are so few, and most of them are not really being used in a way that helps the City meet its RHNA numbers, if this should really be a strategy today that is part of that Housing Element if it is not getting the City what it wants, if this is the right time to do this or not. She stated that she hates to spend a lot of cost trying to track 120 units with the turnover and everything else and to try to get a few units to count toward the City's RHNA numbers. Ms. Stern stated that the City does the survey for its own edification and generally, the housing program has done it when it had an intern available to do it, so it is not a great deal of cost involved. She agreed that it is not going to add a lot but that there are different strategies. She added that the State likes to see the City putting its effort into a number of different ways to satisfy its housing needs, and this is one way that to do it. Following up on Commissioner Allen's question about the developer having to pay for all of the traffic and school impact fees, Commissioner O'Connor inquired if an individual who decides ten years after moving into his home that he wants to build a second unit in his back yard would have to go through those same steps as far as traffic analysis. EXCERPT: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, August 14, 2013 Page 4 of 5