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Commissioner O'Connor inquired if they would not need a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) unless they fell outside proper zoning. Ms. Stern stated if they fell outside a child care use, they may or may not require a CUP, depending on what the use is. She added, as an example, that martial arts for over 20 children would require a CUP. Commissioner Narum inquired if a business located in the Valley Business Park, even if they were under 20 children, would still need a CUP because they would be subject to zoning regulations for a PUD. Ms. Stern replied that was correct because a CUP is required under that PUD zoning designation. Commissioner Narum requested Ms. Stern to comment on the difference between the age listed in Exhibit A and the age listed in Exhibit B. Ms. Stern confirmed they should both be listed as "15 years and under." Commissioner Narum inquired why "15 years and under" was chosen as opposed to 17 or 12 years, or something else. Ms. Stern replied that staff initially considered all children who are minors, i.e., under 18 years, but generally the uses will all fall at 15 years and under. She added that it would seem superfluous to regulate 17- year -olds. Julie Harryman stated that the Planning Commission has been imposing the sign -in /sign -out requirement on businesses that provide child care. She explained that if the Commission chooses Option A and requires State licensing, the State also has in its regulations provisions for sign -in /sign -out policies, which means that the City would not have to require this on top of the State requirement. She noted that the State's requirement is not age- specific. Commissioner Olson requested a definition of a heritage school. Ms. Stern stated that a heritage school is generally a school where a different language other than English is taught. She elaborated that the school teaches language classes as well as the culture of that particular heritage. She indicated that she did not know that any particular heritage would be necessarily included or excluded, and legislation would require some sort of association which would develop standards for background checks and other requirements. Chair Pearce said there was a concern raised about managing complaints if the Commission chose Option B. She asked how complaints are managed now for exempt child care. Mr. Dolan said he believes complaints are generally limited to traffic and noise and not child safety issues. EXCERPTS: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, July 8, 2009 Page 3 of 12