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than what is here tonight. He stated that he prefers to take the conservative approach because the Commission can always do something different down the road. He indicated that he agrees with Commissioner Olson that a better access, a different access, should be looked into. Commissioner O'Connor agreed that streets are considered one of those structures. He stated that if the thinking is that a road did not matter, then it would be all right to go ahead and shave off the top of a ridge to put in a road to provide access to some park. He added that he thinks Measure PP is sort of clear that one cannot go in and tear areas over a 25- percent slope to put in streets and sewers and sidewalks. He indicated that he thinks staff is taking the right approach, and the City does not need any more lawsuits. He cautioned that with respect to access, providing more access points for traffic to get out will mean more access for traffic to come in as well, and there would be actually be more than just 50 homes accessing those same roads going in the opposite direction. Chair Pentin agreed. He stated that he lives off of Junipero Street and has seen over 20 years a change on this street. He indicated that he totally agrees with the comments made tonight about the curve and the stop signs and that he cannot see this project with just a Lund Ranch Road access to Junipero Street and Independence Drive. He added that he understands that the connection to Middleton Place is a huge grade and would like to know how Measure PP affects the connection to Sunset Creek Lane. He noted that there have been either promises or things put in place for many years, and he would like to have those evaluated. He further indicated that he would like to have Measure PP evaluated as to whether the connection from Lund Ranch and possibly the Foley property will have to come down through Lund Ranch Road to Independence Drive and down at Junipero Street. He noted that he would have a really big problem with that. He added that he cannot imagine installing traffic - calming devices and stop signs to that neighborhood in this particular case. Commissioner Pearce agreed with what has been said and believes that streets are covered by Measure PP. She indicated that she has significant concerns about the circulation and does not know how to resolve those two. She stated loudly and clearly that there is a significant traffic problem in this neighborhood, and she is not willing to impose more significant traffic impacts there. Commissioner Blank noted that the Commission received a lot of documentation today from the neighbors, some of which the Commission has not seen before. He stated that one thing that might be helpful is for staff to put together a vertical or horizontal timeline on major events so the Commission can see the total picture and understand how things came together for Lund Ranch. Commissioner Olson agreed that would be very helpful. Chair Pentin asked staff if they have enough information on the discussion questions. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, March 14, 2012 Page 32 of 35