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provisions for an E occupancy. If it was not a childcare facility, it would remain as a B <br />occupancy and not require the two-hour fire separation. Also, it could be approved without a fire <br />sprinklered system under a B or E occupancy depending upon the way the entire building is <br />evaluated. <br />Councilmember McGovern said there are more restrictive codes for childcare facilities under an <br />E occupancy rather than B occupancy. For the safety of children, since there is a lacquering and <br />coating suite in the same building, she would hope to look at the most restrictive requirements. <br />Mr. Thomas agreed that they would look at the most restrictive occupancy in all four spaces and <br />apply it to all of them. <br />Councilmember Sullivan questioned whether any fire related improvements would need to be <br />made if the Council were to approve the temporary exemption. Mr. Thomas said if there is no <br />change in occupancy, then no improvements would be triggered until it qualifies as an E <br />occupancy. He further explained that any improvements would need to be made before a <br />childcare license is issued. <br />Councilmember McGovern referred to access, whether or not all rooms are supposed to have <br />direct access to the outside, and questioned gender specific bathrooms. Mr. Thomas said <br />exiting requirements would be reviewed for an E occupancy, but the other tenant spaces would <br />not need to provide the same exiting requirements. Regarding bathrooms, local jurisdictions <br />enforce Title 24 provisions which cover accessibility, but not Title 22 which covers care facilities <br />and this is why the State wants to inspect prior to receiving occupancy. Councilmember <br />McGovern questioned how the applicant would utilize bathrooms, and Mr. Dolan said the <br />applicant did have an arrangement with an adjacent tenant for the extra set of bathrooms which <br />has been withdrawn; however, there are two other suites where they could have a similar <br />arrangement. At worse, he would need to build a second set of bathrooms in his suite. <br />Councilmember McGovern referred to Condition 13; the ability for the applicant to operate as a <br />recreation facility. She questioned whether the applicant could return to modify conditions of <br />approval and keep it as a recreation facility if the childcare license is not obtained by June 30, <br />2009. Mr. Dolan said for whatever reason the background check was still not completed, the <br />applicant would have the opportunity to apply for any number of changes of the use permit. The <br />Planning Commission wanted him to be aware of the end date for planning purposes and noted <br />that all uses have a right to return for amendment but without guarantee for approval. <br />Mayor Hosterman opened the public hearing. <br />John Pfund, applicant, said he came to the City to teach martial arts to children and not to be a <br />childcare operation. He runs an after-school program where children come and do martial arts <br />after school. He described the process of obtaining approval, only to have it revoked; stating <br />that the only reason the City found that he could not be a recreation facility was due to hours. <br />He discussed his 30 years of martial arts training, questioned whether a childcare license would <br />make him a better instructor or better regulated, and cited existing kids clubs exempt from <br />licensing. He noted there would be a hearing on his background check and testimony would be <br />received from supporters of his criminal case which was unfounded and dismissed. He <br />discussed two previous background checks, said he did not want to go out of business and <br />noted that staff has visited his facility and recommends approval. He noted that no <br />Councilmember has visited his academy, four Planning Commissioners visited his facility and <br />supported and voted for his operation, and Suzanne Bothwell, a 10-year veteran of the State <br />Community Care Licensing office inspected and determined the facility was safe for children. <br />City Council Minutes Page 5 of 9 January 6, 2009 <br />