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DRAFT the guns in because he had a Saturday morning class and no children were present. He noted that when he was asked by the police officers if he had any firearms on-site, he complied and pointed out to the police officers where the guns were located because they were out of reach. Commissioner Fox noted that the California State Licensing has a requirement that firearms and other weapons shall not be allowed or stored on the premises of a childcare center. She inquired if mock weapons and mock knives were considered firearms or other weapons. Ms. Seto replied that she did not know if there was a specific regulation for that but that she could check with the State. Commissioner Fox inquired if the State had been asked about whether or not mock weapons are allowed. Ms. Seto replied that this question has not been posed. Mr. Pfund stated that he posed that question of the State, and the State Licensing representative indicated that when he obtains his childcare license, the facility would be a childcare center during the day, which would be different and separated from the evening adult classes. He indicated that he informed the State about the mock weapons he is using, which were made of rubber, have no machinery, and cannot fire, and the State was fine with that. Commissioner Fox inquired if the State's response was in writing; Mr. Pfund said he did not have them in writing. Commissioner O'Connor inquired if it was Mr. Pfund's understanding that the background check submitted in April was still being conducted and said he was baffled why it would be taking so long. Mr. Pfund replied that there was first a delay in getting started because it was at the beginning of a new school year when he applied for the license, and there were many people needing licenses across the State. He added that Trust Line is also doing background checks for nannies and other positions. He stated that his file was then misplaced, which further delayed the process. James Baker stated that he has known John Pfund for seven years and thanked Commissioner Olson for acknowledging how long the matter has dragged on. He noted that Mr. Pfund has spent all of his operating capital and that he was involved in the entire accusation case against Mr. Pfund. Mr. Baker stated that he came to know Mr. Pfund when his 2"d grade daughter was enrolled in his program for three years. He noted that it is an amazing program which should be facilitated by the City. He indicated that there are numerous people operating after-school camps for all kinds of activities, including a little time to do homework but with the core focus on recreational activities. Mr. Baker stated that when he started investigating this in 2000, the American Society of Pediatrics had an article stating that martial arts actually improves grades. He continued that he noticed a superman complex; the students would put on their uniform and were respectful, there was no bullying, there was a hierarchy, and they learn humility. He said there was a waiting list DRAFT EXCERPTS: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, 11/12/2008 Page 10 of 25