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get her a copy. She noted that these were copyrighted materials from Ned <br />Abrams in 1985. She inquired how the public could have had access to see <br />these plans if the City did not distribute them to anyone other than the <br />Commission and the City Council, and if the document were not distributed and <br />the public did not have access to them, she questioned how they could have <br />appealed the decision or challenged it in 1985. <br />Ms. Harryman noted that she was not familiar with the Pereira issue, since she <br />did not handle that case. She noted that the question in this case was <br />substantial conformance. She could not confirm whether the copyright laws <br />existed in 1985 and noted that people could always review materials at the <br />counter. She noted that copies could not be made of plan-size drawings. <br />In response to an inquiry by Commissioner Fox regarding how the public would <br />have known to appeal this item in 1985, Ms. Harryman replied that the public <br />received a notice that gave a general description of the project. <br />Chair Blank noted that the notice would have said two to three stories. Ms. <br />Harryman agreed with that assessment. <br />Commissioner O'Connor noted that when the ordinance was approved for two to <br />three stories, it referred to Exhibit A, which was conditions of approval, which did <br />not contain actual drawings or plans. Ms. Harryman noted that the first condition <br />of approval discussed the drawings and noted that was a common occurrence in <br />conditions of approval. <br />Commissioner O'Connor noted that it was confusing to have the ordinance refer <br />to Exhibit A, Conditions of Approval, with the first condition of the Conditions of <br />Approval referred to another Exhibit A, the development plan. Ms. Harryman <br />noted that the ordinance referred to Exhibit A and the plans attached to the <br />ordinance. She noted that Item 1 read, "The development is substantially as <br />shown on the development plan, [another] Exhibit A on file with the Planning <br />Department." She noted that it would have been clearer if the second Exhibit A <br />had been labeled more accurately. <br />Commissioner O'Connor noted that the Commission generally saw plans <br />stamped Exhibit A and that the plans the Commissioners had were not stamped <br />as Exhibit A. He added that the general public might think that this Exhibit A was <br />a development plan because the 24 conditions, plus the standard conditions, tied <br />the document to the development plan. He noted that would be confusing to the <br />general public. He added that in the conditions of approval, Condition No. 17, <br />stated, "This project is subject to all standard conditions of development, which <br />are attached hereto and made a part hereof," with the exception of four <br />paragraphs that were otherwise not pertinent to his question. He noted that in <br />the standard conditions of development, Condition No. 14 stated, "The applicant <br />be aware that design review approval lapses within one year, unless a building <br />PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES June 11, 2008 Page 11 of 28 <br />