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In response to an inquiry by Commissioner Fox regarding whether he had changed physical <br />locations in Dublin, Mr. Pfund replied that he had moved across the street from his original <br />location. He noted that he had a conditional use permit for each location. He noted that the City <br />of Dublin lost that paperwork. <br />Commissioner Pearce requested that the applicant clarify the licensing requirements, a <br />description of the program, the conditions that would exempt him from providing care and <br />supervision. She understood that in order for his business to be exempt from licensing, it must <br />be a drop-in program without supervision, without specific activities, without a structured <br />program, and inquired how that would apply to a martial arts program, which seemed to provide <br />each of those items, including structure, supervision, and for children to sign up in advance. <br />Mr. Pfund replied that he was exempt because he had a waiver and required the parents to <br />acknowledge that their children were free to come and go in his facility. Mr. Pfund stated that he <br />is not required to have a license or to follow the rest of the Health and Safety Code because it <br />does not apply to him as he believes he does not need a license. <br />In response to an inquiry by Commissioner Fox regarding whether the City Attorney agreed with <br />Mr. Pfund's statement, Mr. Roush replied that he did not agree with that statement. He advised <br />that just because a waiver stated that a business was not a certain type of business, it did not <br />follow that the business was not that type of business. He indicated that to determine the use, it <br />must be based upon what the applicant is actually proposing. <br />In response to an inquiry by Commissioner Fox regarding the City Attorney's opinion of the <br />nature of the applicant's use, Mr. Roush believed it fell under the definition of a child-care <br />facility under the State regulations. He believed that it provided care and supervision and met <br />the other definitions. <br />Tian Nibert spoke in support of this project. He noted that he was a black belt in the Tri-Valley <br />Martial Arts academy and added that he instructed the children's program. He discussed the <br />positive effects on the children and the community. He noted that he was currently 17 years old <br />and started taking the program when he was eight years old. He added that his younger sister <br />had just started the program. He noted that ju jitsu had been a very positive influence in his life <br />and added that the studio instilled many positive values in the children. He disagreed with the <br />assessment that the studio provided care for the children and added that the parents saw the <br />academy as an activity for the children that would prevent some of the negative aspects of day <br />care. He noted that they brought the children from school as a convenience for the parents and <br />taught the children martial arts until the parents picked them up. He noted that the games were <br />martial arts-related games. <br />Jeff Nibert spoke in support of this project. He noted that his son and daughter were involved in <br />the Tri-Valley Martial Arts program and noted that Mr. Pfund was a very positive influence in <br />his children's lives. He noted that his son's 9'/2-year involvement with martial arts was the <br />longest he had remained involved with any one activity, and he considered it to be a considerable <br />accomplishment. He noted that the benefits of the program included it being a wholesome and <br />fun activity, later instilling self-confidence. He noted that it was also aself-esteem- and <br />character-building activity. With respect to the findings required to approve the conditional use <br />EXCERPTS: PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, February 13, 2008 Page 9 of I9 <br />