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can be discussed along with the impacts on the schools. He felt that had been left out so far. He believed more study was necessary and he was unwilling to commit to anything at this time. Matt Sullivan agreed with the concept of a specific plan for this area, but wondered if staff needed options for land use, whether residential on the east side, Hacienda or West Dublin BART station. He felt there were assumptions that needed to be made before narrowing the land use options and circulation element. He asked staff if they were able to do that based on what has been discussed so far? Nelson Fialho believed staff could do that, but there were many options to be studied. The big assumptions could be tested by bringing them back to Council in this kind of forum to determine if staff had the right level of housing and commercial, so that when staff prepares the traffic models for the various options that the assumptions are accurate. Mr. Sullivan said he had heard very good comments and he agreed with most of them. The specific plan concept needed to be tied with the long-term build out economic study, which is in progress by the Economic Vitality Committee. For it to be fiscally sustainable beyond build out, we need to look at what kind of land use helps the city to do that. For instance, industrial versus retail, to see what long term options make the most sense. He would like to have more information on the ACE train plans to see how that may impact some of the decisions made here. That affects the residential development. If it is truly transit oriented, there must be some kind of transit in close proximity. The BART station and ACE train station are not in close proximity. Regarding industrial development, he felt it makes sense to have diversity in the economy. Pleasanton has a lot of office and service commercial already, but perhaps there is some light industrial options left for development that would add diversity in the economy and the jobs in the community. Those could be higher paying jobs than typical office or retail establishments. He liked the idea of some kind of education campus. He also liked the comments about trails and wanted further discussions with the East Bay Regional Park District and Zone 7. He was concerned about recreational uses at a lake that is half dried up at times. If there is a connection between Shadow Cliffs and Cope Lake, perhaps water could be shared between those two lakes. Regarding residential development, there are a limited number of units left under the housing cap and we need to decide what we want to do that makes sense for the community from a needs standpoint. There are issues of affordability as well as the income diversity of the population. Environmental impacts, infrastructure to be built and maintained and effects on transportation are all important factors. It may make sense to put these units in a true transit oriented development like Hacienda Business Park. Council needs to be very careful how it plans these last remaining units. In the future, this could be a place for the 200-500 units set aside for the future, once the quarries are reclaimed, although there would be some limitation due to the Airport Protection Area near the lakes. He was not certain there could be true lake front living. He agreed with Anne Fox regarding the northern Parcel G being a natural buffer between the lakes and the park that is currently contemplated for Staples Ranch. Mr. Fialho indicated staff would compile the requested information and come back with options to allow a broader look at the community to get a big picture. That would allow the group to contemplate the distribution of the units in multiple ways, including identifying this as a potential study area that might have some residential mixed with commerciaVoffice/industrial. Ms. McGovern was concerned about always using the midpoint for residential density. It tends to give entitlements that then have to be addressed by density transfers. Joint Workshop City Council/Planning Commission 13 01/24/06