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Ms. Dennis asked if the guns could be sold in a jurisdiction that did not have restrictions. Ms. Michelotti also wanted to clarify that for the public. Mr. Roush said yes, the guns proposed to be banned for sale could be purchased in jurisdictions that had not adopted such an ordinance. He believed Dublin had not yet adopted such an ordinance. Vice Mayor Dennis asked for public testimony. Mike Bordenave, 3262 Northampton, asked that the research on the guns be done before an ordinance was adopted. If this ordinance is adopted, where would people go if they wanted to transfer ownership. He said the people of Pleasanton act responsibly and behave accordingly. He believed there were far more important issues to address than this ordinance. Pat Carroll, 3168 Paseo Granada, said he was dismayed that Council did not listen to the voice of the people against this ordinance. He believed the ordinances were not in the best interest of Pleasanton. He felt that the ordinances should go to the vote of the people. He urged Council to reconsider this matter, put aside its own personal opinions and agendas, and put the ordinances to the vote of the people. He asked for clarification on the number of handguns being banned. The Valley Times newspaper said sixty-five guns were being banned. Ms. Dennis said nineteen manufacturers with sixty-five different models would be banned. Daryl Davis, 2392 Sutter Avenue, g9, Santa Clara, said he was a law enforcement firearms instructor in Santa Clara County. He is a veteran of law enforcement for almost two decades. He said the term Saturday Night Specials and the law originated in statues of the post reconstruction era in the South that were enacted in order to disarm African Americans. He did not support the concept or laws of Saturday Night Specials. He felt the proposed ordinance was unclear, ambiguous and undefined. If the ordinance is adopted there will be challenges. He said there are firearms that are used by the police department that should fall under this ordinance. But the ordinance specifically allows police officers to buy Saturday Night Specials. He said the free legal service being offered cost the County of Santa Clara $250,000. He felt the money could be better spent on after school programs and a youth center. Ms. Michelotti asked if he represented a group. Mr. Davis said he was invited here by some of the residents. Roy Fansler, 3028 Florence, San Jose, asked how many Saturday Night Specials had exploded in someone's face? He said guns do not go off by themselves. He felt it would be better to educate the children on the use and safety of guns. Pleasanton City Council 3/03/98 Minutes 19