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not residential. If Pleasanton limited the sale of firearms to commercial areas, it would not be infringing on the rights of people to bear arms. Some say there is not a problem. Firearm dealers claim to be exempt from the controls because there are no customers at the home and there are no guns stored at the home. If that is true then moving the operation should be no problem. He urged Council to support the proposed amendments to the zoning ordinance. Nora Sabhlok, 4129 Grant Court, felt that guns needed to be kept in a commercial area. She holds a residential business license and ~the license says she is not allowed to have customers come to the home nor product trafficking. She believed that it should be the same for all home based businesses. She urged Council not to take it to the vote of the people. She supported the ordinance and whatever decision Council made. Joel Sclafani, 4161 Cristobal Way, felt his constitutional right was being infringed upon. He believed in safety but that safety was not the whole issue. He quoted Thomas Jefferson, "those that would trade safety for liberty deserve neither." He agreed that safety should be taught through educational programs. He said he has never heard of one case that involved Saturday Night Specials exploding in the operators hands. He felt if the guns were unsafe the dealers would be out of business. The terms used to describe the guns are biased. He said the passing of the ordinance will keep those with lower incomes from buying inexpensive firearms and legitimate businesses from doing business. Shirley Carnute, 3997 Fernwood Way, said she used to live in a country that did not allow guns. When the war came, American loaned England guns to fight with. She was thankful for this. She mentioned her husband is on the Board of the Pleasanton/Livermore Gun Club and people go there to have fun. She said no weapons are sold in Great Britain today, so people come to the United States to buy guns. She said if the right to own a gun was taken away, people would get guns elsewhere. David Stauffer, 1955 Brooktree Way, said he did not agree with Mr. Soto's remark that the NRA was trying to infiltrate with the Eddie Eagle program. He could find nothing on the posters or in the pamphlets about the NRA. He agreed with the education on gun safety in the schools. He mentioned Governor Wilson's letter against SB500 and who did or did not support it. He said the police officers that work the streets did not believe the ordinance would help. He did not see anything wrong with gun dealers in residential areas. He urged Council to consider the list before voting on it. Sometimes good leadership involved recognizing that there did not have to be a change of direction. Ed Hagberg, 3686 Touriga Drive, said the State of Maryland implemented the Saturday Night Special for ten years and found out the crime rate went up because the criminal element went to another form of gun. He surveyed several cities that had the gun ordinance in effect, and the Saturday Night Specials were not the only violent crime statistic. The overall reduction in crime rate was 16.4% with the ordinance in effect. The cities without the ordinance had a reduction of 15.1%. Therefore it appeared to him the ordinance did not make a significant Pleasanton City Council 13 02/09/98 Minutes