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Ms. Mundie replied that they worked closely with specialists with several of the technical azeas. <br />She added that they used the services of a firm called Environmental Vision in Berkeley in the <br />aesthetic area. The firm prepazed the visual simulations, and higher quality reproductions of <br />these visual simulations aze available at a lazger size, which will be provided to the Commission. <br />Ms. Mundie continued that in the biology azea, they worked with the firm WRA Incorporated in <br />San Rafael. WRA's technique was, first of all, to use the information bases that aze available to <br />let biologists know where on a site of any kind they would be likely to find resources if they <br />existed, and this is a combination of databases that show where animals and plants have been <br />observed before, a knowledge of the soils and the climate that are associated with the site, and <br />area photographs of the site that give further insight into what is on the site. That is followed up <br />by field surveys in which they actually walk the site and look for the resources that they <br />anticipate might reasonably be found there. <br />Ms. Mundie noted that the Diablo Sage Scrub, an area that is as faz away from development on <br />the site as you can get, is a type of habitat in the Alameda Whipsnake can sometimes be found. <br />Just as there is a close relationship between the Johnny Jump-Up and the butterfly, there is also a <br />close relationship between this kind of habitat and the possibility of the Alameda Whipsnake <br />being located there. So what the biologist knows is what to find in tandem with what, and <br />therefore, what to look for. <br />Chairperson Arkin inquired how many field surveys were done and when they were done. <br />Ms. Mundie replied that the dates aze cited in the Draft EIR and that she could provide the <br />Commission with table listing of all of the surveys and their dates. She indicated that surveys for <br />special status plants or animals have to be done within the window of opportunity that has been <br />determined by the regulatory agency, usually the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, because outside <br />of those times, it is much more difficult to find the animal or plant if it is present. There aze <br />protocols for how to do these surveys, and those protocols aze rigorously observed because the <br />survey is a tremendous investment of time and money, and the survey results need to be accepted <br />by the agencies. There are very cazeful rules, and they are very cazefully observed. <br />In response to Chairperson Arkin's inquiry if there were one or 20 or 50 surveys done, <br />Ms. Mundie replied that it is not the number of surveys that matters, but whether they have <br />observed the protocols or not. For example, in some cases, the protocol requires that two <br />surveys are done in successive years because one survey is not sufficient to rule out the possible <br />presence of the animal or plant. <br />Chairperson Arkin asked if the firm that actually did the survey was subcontracted to them or if <br />the City picked the firm, and if they or the City paid them. Ms Mundie replied that they <br />subcontracted to them and were paid by them. She added that in all cases but one, the firm has <br />wildlife and plant specialists on its staff to cover all of the resources that aze on this property. In <br />one case, the firm hired a specialist, an etymologist, a butterfly expert, who did the butterfly <br />surveys. <br />Commissioner Fox inquired how many hours it took to do a survey of a 562-acre site and if they <br />went out and sampled or covered the whole 562-acre site. Ms. Mundie replied that different <br />13 <br />