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Commissioner Brown: Okay, that's what I was thinking Dolan: That's what we were just talking about. Commissioner Brown: And that's 3.74 acres? Dolan: Right. Commissioner Brown: Okay, in terms of the Cultural Arts Center versus the Firehouse Arts Center, I noticed it's listed on one of the programs. Did the Cultural Arts Center predate the Firehouse Arts Center? And I guess one of the biggest questions I had, is it no longer needed? Dolan: It's a much bigger facility. I believe it was going to seat 800 or so, much bigger than the 200 seats or less in the Firehouse Arts Center. I think they were thinking big back then and they wanted both. Commissioner Balch: But it was in connection with Amador Pavilion, right? Because we didn't know what the City was going to do with Amador and it was almost a replacement but expansion of it is what I remember. Dolan: So, and you probably know more about that history than I do. I don't know that I have the answer, but if others do... Commissioner Brown: No, I was just wondering where the need went, right? Obviously we're losing something to get this. Commissioner Balch: During the Parks and Rec Master Plan process the question was raised of replacement of facilities at Amador, which is programmed through Community Services, what was going to happen to that facility because it's a joint venture with the school district? I think it's lease was coming due or coming up or something like that and then as Mr. Dolan spoke to, the Community Center came up also in the Park and Rec process because a teen use center or something for teen programming was an identified need. Commissioner Brown: Maybe this is a question for Mr. Nagler. Is it assumed that if we're going to do this and wait and see on the two -story parking garage that we would build the supports to handle a third story if we wanted to add it later? Dolan: I think so, but I think if Commissioner Nagler remembers, he's the second task force member who will have told me that and I think when I listen to the tape, I'll probably find that they want it to be three stories. And so I think that's what's going to happen. We're going to have an errata here that shows the task force recommended three stories, but if we only built it two, we would definitely build it with the ability to expand. We had a conversation about that more than once and most people thought that's just inefficient. It always costs you a lot more when you add the story later than just biting the bullet and doing it first. It's not a very complex or expensive structure. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, September 28, 2016 Page 4 of 32